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Ammon Labs Charity Scam

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anonymous said:
Hmm, Let's see? Scholarships to patients at client only, wellness centers in client offices, hiring clients at foundation, giving classes to patients at clients, giving over $250k a year to Integrity House. There is more at clients like Eva's Village, Leonard, Maryville, Seabrook House, Crossroads, Msng Wall, and many others.Chicago, Florida & Mass. kickbacks from foundation are huge. 84% of funding to foundation came from Ammon, but when asked by attorneys for clients, Ammon stated 0ver 50% of money was from outside sources. This was lie per the Foundations IRS reporting. Ammon opened every client up to AKS violations. Nothing but crooks! A reckoning is a comin'!
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What is legal above. If 84% of money in foundation came from Ammon Labs and they only gave foundation money to clients that they billed Medicare & Medicaid for services, then all the above items qualify as a kickback under AKS statutes. Further more any dollar amount given to a client where bill Medicare or Medicaid can not exceed $10k. This is an OIG ruling going back to the '80's that has not changed. Also IRS regulations state a charity can't be formed to enrich the benefactors. The foundation enriched Ammon Labs (the benefactor of 84% if funds) by giving money to clients in exchange for business. This is an IRS & AKS violation! If this is legal how come no other lab in the country has a foundation like this? The Haupts are crook!
 




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So, these are YOUR allegations? BTW, some of what you said are actual legal. Who has this evidence? OIG? Other attorneys? So far, you sound like a whiny competitor who is getting an ass kicking.
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Evidence is at NJ Comptroller, DOJ, & IRS. Ongoing joint investigation in multiple States. Everything in allegations is illegal. Tell me one thing written that you consider legal? See my post above about what the law states. Thanks for trying to rationalize what your family did Evan.
 




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Evidence is at NJ Comptroller, DOJ, & IRS. Ongoing joint investigation in multiple States.
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No. Not a family member or employee. But, can you post a link to these "ongoing joint investigations in multiple states?" I think you know that your identity can not be disclosed on this sight, so you can spew anything with immunity. So if this is NOT public information, how do you know of these investigations? If there were ongoing investigations in multiple states, then surely other people would be in the know – besides you. I would especially think if these investigations are in fact “ongoing,” the chance of this leaking ONLY to you is remote.
 




Ammon was audited and paid back 3 million in over-payments. Nuff said. There is no current investigation. I'm not a family member either, just a competitor. Ammon are boy scouts compared to most of the tox labs. If any of them were to be audited, there would be similar infractions. So yes. All tox labs have questionable billing.
 




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No. Not a family member or employee. But, can you post a link to these "ongoing joint investigations in multiple states?" I think you know that your identity can not be disclosed on this sight, so you can spew anything with immunity. So if this is NOT public information, how do you know of these investigations? If there were ongoing investigations in multiple states, then surely other people would be in the know – besides you. I would especially think if these investigations are in fact “ongoing,” the chance of this leaking ONLY to you is remote.
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I know the investigations are ongoing because I have spoken to multiple Ammon clients who were questioned in NY, NJ, by IRS, State Medicaids & DOJ. Foundation is focus of the investigation. why do you think Foundation closed?
 




anonymous said:
Ammon was audited and paid back 3 million in over-payments. Nuff said. There is no current investigation. I'm not a family member either, just a competitor. Ammon are boy scouts compared to most of the tox labs. If any of them were to be audited, there would be similar infractions. So yes. All tox labs have questionable billing.
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Boy scouts? No! Family used tax exempt charity to enrich themselves. They acted benevolent & grew revenue 3-4x's from pre-foundation years. Clients saying investigation based on foundation & IRS violations. IRS using DOJ, & State Medicaid to pressure a settlement. Foundation closed, but press release said "due to current circumstances". If COVID induced, press release would say it. IRS dictated statement. If you are a competitor you suck. Just talk to Ammon clients.
 




Ammon is poster child for fraud. Audits from multiple state Medicaid's, Private Payers & Medicare. Fired multiple reps pre-COVID due to audits. Trying to clean up mess, but too late.
 




The Haupts blamed everyone else for their mess. They fired managers, sales reps, CFO's, even blamed their old Lab System. The investigators are too smart for that. Their clients are working with the investigators, we just left a meeting with a client. Big Mess Heading Haupts way!!
 




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Boy scouts? No! Family used tax exempt charity to enrich themselves. They acted benevolent & grew revenue 3-4x's from pre-foundation years. Clients saying investigation based on foundation & IRS violations. IRS using DOJ, & State Medicaid to pressure a settlement. Foundation closed, but press release said "due to current circumstances". If COVID induced, press release would say it. IRS dictated statement. If you are a competitor you suck. Just talk to Ammon clients.
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Who would a current employee contact with hard evidence of wrong doing?
 




















anonymous said:
I heard just yesterday that Ammon may be under investigation. Anyone heard or read anything that may suppor this rumor? Thank you
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Nope. Only read it on this site. One would think there would be something more public if true. Sounds like a competitive rep trolling the company. Or some ex rep fired for non-performance.
 




Why would it be public if they are under investigation? Only becomes public when charged or raided. I was told by clients (current & former), current employees and ex-employees, the investigation revolves around the Ammon Foundation, specifically IRS violations/using a 5013c to enrich a for profit company and using a non-profit to hide kickbacks for Ammon Labs. 80%+ of the Foundation money came from Ammon Labs per public filings and 70% of Ammons revenues comes from Medicare or Medicaid. This was a recipe for disaster from the moment SH started the Foundation.
 




anonymous said:
Why would it be public if they are under investigation? Only becomes public when charged or raided. I was told by clients (current & former), current employees and ex-employees, the investigation revolves around the Ammon Foundation, specifically IRS violations/using a 5013c to enrich a for profit company and using a non-profit to hide kickbacks for Ammon Labs. 80%+ of the Foundation money came from Ammon Labs per public filings and 70% of Ammons revenues comes from Medicare or Medicaid. This was a recipe for disaster from the moment SH started the Foundation.
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Meh. No one said anything about being public, but sure seems odd that the only source of this rumor is a site for disgruntled employees.
 




anonymous said:
Meh. No one said anything about being public, but sure seems odd that the only source of this rumor is a site for disgruntled employees.
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Really? Only disgruntled employees huh? Go speak with Ammon clients that have been questions by NJ Comptroller and the IRS. Talk to current employees looking to jump ship. Talk to ex-clients that left once the Foundation was shuttered. Talk to ex-employees that left voluntarily, were loyal, but had to leave as Ammon is sinking. Did anyone know of the $3m+ Ammon paid before the final audit findings were announced? These things are kept quiet when dealing with IRS & NJ Comptroller until the settlement is reached.
 




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Really? Only disgruntled employees huh? Go speak with Ammon clients that have been questions by NJ Comptroller and the IRS. Talk to current employees looking to jump ship. Talk to ex-clients that left once the Foundation was shuttered. Talk to ex-employees that left voluntarily, were loyal, but had to leave as Ammon is sinking. Did anyone know of the $3m+ Ammon paid before the final audit findings were announced? These things are kept quiet when dealing with IRS & NJ Comptroller until the settlement is reached.
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You sound like a crazy person. On one hand you say, "These things are kept quiet when dealing with IRS & NJ Comptroller until the settlement is reached," but on the other hand you imply everyone knows about it - you, current employees, ex employees, clients, ex clients.
 




anonymous said:
You sound like a crazy person. On one hand you say, "These things are kept quiet when dealing with IRS & NJ Comptroller until the settlement is reached," but on the other hand you imply everyone knows about it - you, current employees, ex employees, clients, ex clients.
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The government keeps quiet, not the people they question. How dumb are you!
 




anonymous said:
The government keeps quiet, not the people they question. How dumb are you!
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Your obsession has hijacked your critical thinking. The government does not keep quiet during an investigation. They probe, they question and they interview. All done non-quietly.

So, it begs the question - Why are you the only source of this ongoing investigation? Clients, ex clients, employees, you – the available information should be expanding exponentially with all these people in the know.
 




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