Amgen RIF and the Bridge Loan - Action Required

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Are you affected by the relo debacle with Amgen and faced with the October deadline?

If you want to join the host of others reaching out to sort out what can be done to resolve the issue, please do the following.

1. Read the following article written by Allison Bruce in the Ventura County Star that details the situation.

http://www.venturacountystar.com/news/2008/jul/26/amgens-help-now-problem-for-some/

2. Contact Allison (ABruce@venturacountystar.com) and let her know that you're affected. She's trying to rally everyone who's affected and continue writing about this situation.

In addition to having the press on this, it's an approach to unify and move forward if we need to consider other measures. If you have questions..post them here.

Don't sit back if your affected..and good luck.
 






I paid off my bridge loan with the insane yearly bonuses Amgen gave instead of getting a new car every year. Some people are smart enough to realize the bubble will eventually pop for a company that doesn't have spending under control. To all you fellow RIFers out there whining about your balloon loan I say you have nobody to blame but yourselves.
 






Don't be too heartless. I know a few people with less than 2 years at Amgen got RIFed last year. They are not as fortunate as you are to enjoy big fat bonus checks in the last few years. I think they deserve empathy...........it could happen to any of us when we start a new job.

Good for you that you pay off your 2nd mortgage..smart move. Just don't trash others without knowing their situation.
 






I was told by Lucy Delgado back in May that Amgen was trying to work out a plan to convert the loans to a reasonable plan but it wouldn't happen until October. I sent some proposals and after over two months, my proposals were rejected with the statement that Amgen expects to be paid back the loan in full and "if and when" Amgen decides to make any concessions or re-negotiations, I would be notified. The letter stated that I had a whole year to get refinanced.

What Amgen doesn't get is that I have been trying to get refinanced but am unable to get funding due to the declining values of proeprty in the area. I made this clear on my first letter to them. I, and I suspect others are underwater on their loans.

I am willing to pay the loan back. However, I cannot get it refinanced through normal and customary lenders. My only hope is that Amgen will extend the existing terms or come up with some other reasonable terms such as those I suggested in my letter to them. I want to make a deal.

Right now, Amgen does not want to make any deals or negotiate at all.
 






I've made legitimate offers to Amgen to re-negotiate that were formally rejected. So have others, some to re-negotiate and others to organize short sales which Amgen also rejected even though the first lenders were willing. Amgen is the only part of this situation that isn't willing. They act as if they have no part in this mess.
The point I haven't seen discussed here is this;
Amgen changed the terms of the original notes they offered as secondary financing. The secondary financing "benefit" was (as I've seen stated) Amgen's "big hammer in their recruitment toolbox." That "tool" was used to recruit employees here and is now being used against us. As was pointed out, people took calculated risk to come here based on information given by Amgen and relo. Many of us rented for a year before jumping in. When we did negotiate and sign our notes they were for interest only, for 5 years, very doable.
Then Amgen met with RIF's on Oct. 12, 2007, our severance package was explained to us which was very generous, however, at the close of the meeting, the bomb was dropped that in addition to the severance package, they were changing the terms on our notes. We were told, the good news is we had a year to repay.
Again, this sounds very generous but what this really means is they are actually calling notes due 2 to 3 years earlier than was agreed upon.
I understand the nature of business and its ups and downs. I understand lay-offs. I've been laid off, however we signed agreements on these notes with Amgen for 5 years, not 2 years, not 3. They took the opportunity to coerce (look it up, to compel by force, intimidation, etc., to dominate or control by exploiting fear, anxiety, etc.) RIF's to accept these terms or forget about any severance package.
I know what many are thinking, a severance package! Oh poor thing. That's more than I or most ever got but remember, Amgen came to us and you're right, they didn't have to do anything, but they did. It’s bait and switch.
Changing the terms of the notes? Do you think they would have ever been receptive to any of us changing the terms of our notes?
And I challenge anyone who says they wouldn't have taken the $$$. It's called being coerced.
This is Amgen passing its mismanagement, lost revenue issues on to whoever’s in the vulnerable position instead of honoring their secondary financing commitment.
The original note says that at the end of the term of this 5 year loan, the staff member shall have the option to seek to convert this loan for an additional 5 years or may have the option to convert the loan to a fully amortized loan by executing a new promissory note. As pointed out, there are some people who got this extension with no begging required.
If you think or say you don't care, you will. If you own your home this will continue to drive down your real estate values, sure hope you won’t need to refinance for some unforeseen reason, (more lay-offs are on the way), your neighborhoods will continue to decline and so will the general economy because everything is tied to the housing market (paint, carpet, appliances, furniture, landscaping, remodels, refinancing for remodels, etc.) and if you rent, well rental prices will be going up also as the rental market starts to flood by former home owners.
Bottom line is that lay-offs can be understood, having Amgen unilaterally change the terms of secondary financing that was bilaterally agreed upon is completely inappropriate.
Amgen says it cares about its "family" and "the community," says its business model is to "Do the right thing." All concerned will lose if they don't re-negotiate these loans. People will walk away, first lender's will foreclose but won't get their money, Amgen will get nothing because there won't be anything left to get, property values will continue to fall.....you know the rest.
As was mentioned, we might as well go down fighting. The power of any situation is the truth and the truth here is that Amgen reneged on their end of the secondary real estate financing deal to people who relocated here in good faith to do a job.
 












Just a few thoughts. It is clear that changing the terms of a loan while simultaneously terminating the employee, especially in a difficult economy, would have a significant and direct impact on one's ability to refinance quickly. Has anyone considered appealing to their congressional members to investigate these practices?
 






I was told by Lucy Delgado back in May that Amgen was trying to work out a plan to convert the loans to a reasonable plan but it wouldn't happen until October. I sent some proposals and after over two months, my proposals were rejected with the statement that Amgen expects to be paid back the loan in full and "if and when" Amgen decides to make any concessions or re-negotiations, I would be notified. The letter stated that I had a whole year to get refinanced.

What Amgen doesn't get is that I have been trying to get refinanced but am unable to get funding due to the declining values of proeprty in the area. I made this clear on my first letter to them. I, and I suspect others are underwater on their loans.

I am willing to pay the loan back. However, I cannot get it refinanced through normal and customary lenders. My only hope is that Amgen will extend the existing terms or come up with some other reasonable terms such as those I suggested in my letter to them. I want to make a deal.

Right now, Amgen does not want to make any deals or negotiate at all.

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Wow that's the best you can come up with, again from a couple of posts back, you sound like HR. I don't see people whining, just stating the facts and trying get answers. The one thing you don't do in this situation is sit back and do nothing. Amgen hopes people will exhaust all means to pay back the bridge loan in Oct. From the people I've spoken with they are all trying but the fact is, come October, bridge loans will not be paid. It's just not going to happen.

In all fairness, Amgen didn't know the real estate market was going to continue to tank when they offered the extension of a year last Oct. but neither did anyone else. All were counting everything would remain stable.

When the market changes and it's clear everyone is going to loose, if it's in the parties power to re-negotiate then that's the reasonable thing to do. Amgen has it in their power to do so.
 






Just a few thoughts. It is clear that changing the terms of a loan while simultaneously terminating the employee, especially in a difficult economy, would have a significant and direct impact on one's ability to refinance quickly. Has anyone considered appealing to their congressional members to investigate these practices?

Letters have been written.
 






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Wow, that's the best you can come up with? Referring to a couple of quotes back, as someone pointed out, you sound like HR. I don't see whining, people are just stating the facts and trying to get answers. The worst thing to do is to sit back and do nothing. People are trying to be proactive.

In all fairness to Amgen, they didn't know the real estate market would continue to tank when they made their offer last year of deferring the loan a year (but again let's keep it straight, they really called the loans 2 to 3 years early) but neither did anyone else. And it's not over yet.

When situations change it's best if the parties involved can re-negotiate for the benefit of all. Amgen is the only party that isn't interested. Period.
 






























People are trying to be solution oriented by stating the facts, sharing info and being proactive. Doing nothing is not part of the solution, neither is the term Wah, Wah, Wah.
 
























I don't get it. Why is Amgen being resistant? As of today, real estate comps are even lower than they were last week. I guess they can foreclose but what are they going to get? There's not even enough money to pay the first if there's a foreclosure, unless there going for a grand write-off.

It's understandable when there are lay offs. All you have to do is watch the news to see they're happening everywhere but for Amgen to offer the severance package and then basically stab employees in the back by changing the terms of their notes it less that altrustic.

I notice that some people are less than thrilled that these emloyees were even offered severance packages. You shouldn't be bugged at the employees, Amgen prepared their lay off list and based on the position/credentials and length of service of the individual Amgen made the offer according to guidlines.