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Actavians will ruin our legacy

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I totally agree with you, but please do not lump Actavis with Forest. Forest leadership has destroyed our company with their a$$-backwards policies and procedures. Hell you can't even send an external email without Compliance reviewing it first because of their CIA agreement.

We didn't want them either, but you will feel our pain soon enough.
 




As soon as the merger is complete, everything will have to be adapted to meet the Forest CIA. Inav, dinner programs, coaching guides, everything. I worked at Forest then came to Allergan and I am dry heaving just thinking about it. Every coaching guide has a report that every DM needs to sign off on that they "didn't hear anything non compliant". Dinner programs are all audited and many have 3rd party compliance people in site. They record and write down everything then they grill you later on on every detail. Your inav will have a record of everything you present and to whom. There are traps that try and catch you, like presenting data to the wrong specialty you have set the call up for, ect. Slides that were approved for psychs couldn't be used for primary care, ect but we're in the digital video aid to try and catch people screwing up. Your whole call file and presentations get routinely audited. It was a nightmare, and it is coming.
 




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OMG I cringe at the thought of being acquired by Actavis and Forest. Our legacy as a top notch pharma company has ended.
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Be real - Allergan was never a top-notch pharma company. It was only successful for milking the hell out of a few minor medications, while living off of the Botox cash cow. Multi-millions pissed away on research and IP with nothing to show.

I was there, and it was headed for a huge trainwreck. Thank your lucky stars for Actavis!
 




Anonymous said:
Be real - Allergan was never a top-notch pharma company. It was only successful for milking the hell out of a few minor medications, while living off of the Botox cash cow. Multi-millions pissed away on research and IP with nothing to show.

I was there, and it was headed for a huge trainwreck. Thank your lucky stars for Actavis!
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Well said - bravo!
 




Anonymous said:
Be real - Allergan was never a top-notch pharma company. It was only successful for milking the hell out of a few minor medications, while living off of the Botox cash cow. Multi-millions pissed away on research and IP with nothing to show.

I was there, and it was headed for a huge trainwreck. Thank your lucky stars for Actavis!
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What was the "train wreck" it is was heading toward?

What's your definition of a "top-notch" company?

What was Allergan R&D ROI over the last 15 years?

How much did its stock grow since Alphagan?
 








Anonymous said:
What was the "train wreck" it is was heading toward?

Restasis coming off patent, biosimilars pushing out Botox, lack of new significant compounds emerging from discovery or progressing through development. It was looking pretty grim.

What's your definition of a "top-notch" company?

Companies that produce critical drugs for serious illnesses such as cancer, diabetes, heart disease, epilepsy, MS, infections, etc. etc. etc.
Novartis, Genentech, Biogen-Idec, Bayer, GSK and others come to mind. Most of Allergan's drugs were repurposed old drugs (such as cyclosporin, originally developed for transplant rejection).
Drug development efforts were focused on creating combinations of old drugs, which isn't an innovative strategy or effective with the payers that would require using the off-patent generics. This is now way to run a pharmaceutical business, but I'll give DP credit for milking this cow dry.

What was Allergan R&D ROI over the last 15 years?

Not much, since no new chemical entities were developed over that time. All drugs were the result of repurposing. It worked to bring in some big cash, but that party has to end.

How much did its stock grow since Alphagan?
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No idea. Stock growth is for greedy investors, and doesn't reflect the medical value that a top-notch drug company creates.
 












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As soon as the merger is complete, everything will have to be adapted to meet the Forest CIA. Inav, dinner programs, coaching guides, everything. I worked at Forest then came to Allergan and I am dry heaving just thinking about it. Every coaching guide has a report that every DM needs to sign off on that they "didn't hear anything non compliant". Dinner programs are all audited and many have 3rd party compliance people in site. They record and write down everything then they grill you later on on every detail. Your inav will have a record of everything you present and to whom. There are traps that try and catch you, like presenting data to the wrong specialty you have set the call up for, ect. Slides that were approved for psychs couldn't be used for primary care, ect but we're in the digital video aid to try and catch people screwing up. Your whole call file and presentations get routinely audited. It was a nightmare, and it is coming.
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As legacy Forest let me state this is a gross exaggeration. We legacy Forest managers are people-orientated. Probably were too easy with the reps as they went crazy with the fake calls. All is forgiven as we start over with the new company.

Fear not, you will have a great future in the new company.
 




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No idea. Stock growth is for greedy investors, and doesn't reflect the medical value that a top-notch drug company creates.
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Cut the bullshit. You are a businessperson who happens to deal with medicine. Once you accept that you will be much happier. This is a publicly traded company. Our goal is no different than Pepsi, Apple, Ford, etc... Yes we make and sell some drugs along the way that hopefully help some people. Forest was a very successful and profitable company. So was Actavis and Allergan as well. So many people I think end up getting confused with what a "successful" company is in our business. You make your decisions based on other rep's "perception" of other companies or even what you think your customers perception is. The only perception that matters is if the doc doesn't write the drug because of a certain perception. That's it. I don't like everything that's going on right now from a personal standpoint but because am a businessperson first, I understand it. I think so many people get into this business for the wrong reasons and it shay they are never happy. It is not absolute but I see the people with business degrees and backgrounds do much better than the people think they want to be in the "healthcare" field and end up being a rep.
 








Anonymous said:
As soon as the merger is complete, everything will have to be adapted to meet the Forest CIA. Inav, dinner programs, coaching guides, everything. I worked at Forest then came to Allergan and I am dry heaving just thinking about it. Every coaching guide has a report that every DM needs to sign off on that they "didn't hear anything non compliant". Dinner programs are all audited and many have 3rd party compliance people in site. They record and write down everything then they grill you later on on every detail. Your inav will have a record of everything you present and to whom. There are traps that try and catch you, like presenting data to the wrong specialty you have set the call up for, ect. Slides that were approved for psychs couldn't be used for primary care, ect but we're in the digital video aid to try and catch people screwing up. Your whole call file and presentations get routinely audited. It was a nightmare, and it is coming.
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Repeat after me: IT'S NOT A MERGER! It's a BUYOUT.
 




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Repeat after me: IT'S NOT A MERGER! It's a BUYOUT.
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Who gives a shit what it's called. Haven't you learned by now that In this companies case, in regards to the sales force, "who buys who" really doesn't matter. I here my own partners saying things like "we bought you" and crap like that, like they are proud of it or had something to do with it. Uhm.... No you didn't. You are a sales rep buddy, you didn't buy anything or anyone.
 




Anonymous said:
Be real - Allergan was never a top-notch pharma company. It was only successful for milking the hell out of a few minor medications, while living off of the Botox cash cow. Multi-millions pissed away on research and IP with nothing to show.

I was there, and it was headed for a huge trainwreck. Thank your lucky stars for Actavis!
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Wait a minute. This scenario sounds awfully familiar. Oh snap, it's the Forest model for milking the hell out of a few minor medications while living off of the Lexapro cash cow. Guess it really does take one to know one?!
 




Legacy Actavis rep here, once we merged with Forest we became Forest. Their rules, their managers. If you are black, older female, Latino, or have a voice about anything you will have a target on your back. Most Actavis reps have been fired or managed out. This is fair warning. Forest management is the bottom of the barrel and they want young, dumb, reps who will literally kiss their butt. Kiss up, shut your mouth, and drink the cool aide or they will make your life and career miserable. If your manager is talking about himself, his opinion, his life, and you interrupt him to discuss something about business; don't do it. Listen attentively and make him think you suck and he is greatest. Mark my words. Welcome to Forest! Actavis was not like this.
 




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Legacy Actavis rep here, once we merged with Forest we became Forest. Their rules, their managers. If you are black, older female, Latino, or have a voice about anything you will have a target on your back. Most Actavis reps have been fired or managed out. This is fair warning. Forest management is the bottom of the barrel and they want young, dumb, reps who will literally kiss their butt. Kiss up, shut your mouth, and drink the cool aide or they will make your life and career miserable. If your manager is talking about himself, his opinion, his life, and you interrupt him to discuss something about business; don't do it. Listen attentively and make him think you suck and he is greatest. Mark my words. Welcome to Forest! Actavis was not like this.
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Average age on my team at Forest was 35, and around 10 years tenure; so whatever. You do realize that you can't make a statement about based on just your territory.
 








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