Working Two Jobs at first

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I currently work as a salaried plus commission medical sales rep but want to become an independent rep. Would it be ethical to work both jobs as long as I do not sell competing lines until I can support my living as an independent? I have already formed an LLC because I have been talking to some manufacturers looking for independents inmy area.
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Ethically if you are not competing against your company or any other divisions then you may be fine with it but technically you are paid a salary for giving them your time. If you are selling other products during their time during the day then you are really cheating them. Many companies have a clause in your initial offer letters or no competes etc that will not allow you to work for any other company selling medical devices sometimes they will let you do nothing else(moonlighting). I'm an independent and it's the best thing I ever did getting away from a big company direct role. If you are going to sell independently at the same time as you are selling direct then I would be prepared to be cut loose at anytime by your current employer as most likely if they get wind of it at all then they will cut you. I would try and find a product line at first that does not have the same call points at all as your current job so no one notices. Good luck with the independent role it can be a little tough getting started but once you get going and develop a network it can be very rewarding and not nearly as stressful.
 












Its wrong , and be very careful . You will get fired from your w2 gig and your 1099 will know you are being sneaky. GO ALL IN OR DONT AT ALL . Save your money so you have a cushion . It would be great if you are working with your w2 manager and he asks about your 1099 line HHHMMMM>
 






Ethically if you are not competing against your company or any other divisions then you may be fine with it but technically you are paid a salary for giving them your time. If you are selling other products during their time during the day then you are really cheating them....I'm an independent and it's the best thing I ever did getting away from a big company direct role. If you are going to sell independently at the same time as you are selling direct then I would be prepared to be cut loose at anytime by your current employer as most likely if they get wind of it at all then they will cut you....Good luck with the independent role it can be a little tough getting started but once you get going and develop a network it can be very rewarding and not nearly as stressful.

I totally agree with the above statements.

Its wrong, and be very careful . You will get fired from your w2 gig and your 1099 will know you are being sneaky. GO ALL IN OR DONT AT ALL.

Although wrong, since when has anyone -- from the execs at the top with a golden parachute, to the grunt worker in the trenches -- in this industry been ethical?

Yes, if your W2 employer learns you are doing 1099 work on the side, you will be terminated on the spot. However, in the device/pharma world, if the rep comes in wildly over quota, is the rep rewarded with a larger territory or larger bonuses of commissions? Hell no.

Instead, that wildly successful rep will be financially punished by having their territory split in half, or that wildly successfully rep will be pulled from the field and made a trainer or a manager -- effectively reducing the rep's income.

That's just the way it is.

Work your 1099 job on the side, and hopefully if you are successful, you will be able to give your W2 employer notice after your 1099 commissions far exceed your salary with bonuses and/or commissions.

To avoid detection from your present W2 employer, you may want to consider having your significant other, or a trusted family member, be the named 1099 rep -- with your job being to get your significant other or trusted family member past the gatekeeper so he/she can get face to face time with the decision maker.

It's a dog-eat-dog world, and to think otherwise is to be hopelessly naive. Do what you have to do in order to put food on the table today, while ensuring that your long-term future will be financially secure.

The 1099 entity does not care if you are being "sneaky," but instead, the 1099 entity only desires to see you produce sales.

Regardless of whether you are doing W2 work or 1099 work, it's either produce or perish.

Loyalty is admirable -- but not to your W2 entity that could care less about you as a person. If your W2 company is bought out by another entity, you will probably get laid off by the new entity.

Then again, even if your present W2 employer does not get bought out, there is always the possibility that you may get laid off and replaced by someone younger, prettier, or by one who does a better job of brown-nosing, and you will be laid off in a NY minute.

Why be loyal to an entity that looks at you as someone who is as replaceable as a cog in a machine?

At the end of the metaphorical day, being loyal to the W2 employer may result in being given a gold plated watch or a plaque for putting in 20 years of service. Well, that gold plated watch or plaque, along with 5 bucks, will buy you a great cup of coffee at Starbucks.

As a true 1099, you are the master of your destiny. You will be able to eat what you kill, or freeze it for a rainy day. Do what you have to, without committing any felonies, to ensure you and your family have a sound financial foundation for the future.
 






Once again, thank you for honest feedback. I understand that I can get fired on the spot but I also understand I am replaceable by a younger rep who will take less money. Still deciding.
 






listen, split you time wisely, depending on what your carrying in your w2 bag, most of us are not putting in 40 hrs, and one of the joys of this industry is flexability.
find a niche or away from you specialty line and make while you can. who knows if any of us will be around in 5 years.
 






I feel like 50 plus percent of direct med device sales will go 1099 in the next 5-10 years. Healthcare reform will insure the days of high salaries (maybe any salary) cars. insurance etc will come to an end for many. Companies will simply not be able to be taxed at the rate that is coming, continue to sell at a premium price while hospital reimbursement tanks and still be able to keep the stock holders happy. The salary jobs will go to some kid just out of school who will take your 75,000 salary and 50,000 grand in commissions and do it for a flat 50,000 and be happy with it. If you are making over 100,000 in any form you are a liability to a large company's balance sheet and bottom line. Something has got to give and it will be the reps not management or at least upper management. 1099 was a trend 20 years ago, it's been direct for many years now and companies are starting to go back to 1099 to eliminate or highly limit their financial risk and exposure.

Its a good time to get into the independent game if you can financially handle the 100% commission payout. You can make substantially more income but keep in mind you foot the bill on all expenses. Not having to answer to a manager or attend pointless sales meetings etc is worth it all right there. Here's the deal if you want to sit at home all day in your underwear eating cheetos and watching Oprah re- runs then you can and nobody gives a rip except you at the end of the month when you didn't make money. Conversely, if you go out and half butt work you will do just fine and if you you hustle you can make a mint. Comp plans are pretty easy to figure out no fuzzy math its a direct percentage of every dollar most of the time. Better to already be in the game than trying to get in the game with a flooded talent market when it all goes south. I realize 1099 is not for everybody but life is much much better all the way around for me anyway after making the jump. Good luck with your decision.
 






I was thinking the same thing regarding the trend back to 1099 because of the med device tax and reimbursements being considerable less. Thanks again for your opinion. I believe I will do the two jobs because I know I can handle both and still hit my numbers. Thanks.
 












Think it is hard without contract with big company try it as a 1099 . Takes a very special rep to be successful as an independent. You will not be able to on your own, you will need to be a part of a rep group. Companies want your time and you need a big bag . Products will come and they will go . But if you are double dipping its wrong and you will get caught , plus the customer will know you are scamming. Big brother company could care less about you, and the Manufacturers care even less.
 






I have twenty 1099's working with me. If I found out one of them was doing that, I'd fire them on the spot. It's unethical, cheating and stealing their base salary and benefits. When employed as a W-2 you are being paid to work full time aren't you? You have a serious character problem for even considering it. If I employed W-2's and found out one of them was doing that, I would sue for every thing I could. I'd own his home. I would also try my best to get criminal charges filed....fraud, deception, theft, I'd go for it all. So really, you think taking a base salary, car expenses, benefits while working doing something else is in some unimaginable way O.K?
 






I have twenty 1099's working with me. If I found out one of them was doing that, I'd fire them on the spot. It's unethical, cheating and stealing their base salary and benefits. When employed as a W-2 you are being paid to work full time aren't you?

Pure BS. Either you have twenty 1099s, or you have twenty W-2s. You can't have it both ways.

Read up on labor laws, or better yet, have an employment law attorney explain the facts of life to you.

As a suggestion, read this: http://www.irs.gov/Help-&-Resources...rs/Form-1099-MISC-&-Independent-Contractors-1
 












What if you were the employer paying the salary, benefits and the company's overhead. What would you think of an employee that did this to you?

If I was an employer, which I am not, as long as my W2 employee was making quota+ for his territory, I could care less if he was also working a 1099 gig on the side.

Employees and independent reps come and go, for we live in an "at-will" employment world where the employer can terminate an employee just because there are two clouds in the sky.

That's just the way it is.....................
 






I have twenty 1099's working with me. If I found out one of them was doing that, I'd fire them on the spot. It's unethical, cheating and stealing their base salary and benefits. When employed as a W-2 you are being paid to work full time aren't you? You have a serious character problem for even considering it. If I employed W-2's and found out one of them was doing that, I would sue for every thing I could. I'd own his home. I would also try my best to get criminal charges filed....fraud, deception, theft, I'd go for it all. So really, you think taking a base salary, car expenses, benefits while working doing something else is in some unimaginable way O.K?

You said the 1099's are working with you not for you. So why do you care if you are just a worker bee . How would you own their house? You are clueless . It would take a lot of time and money to sue someone for all you have listed .
 






You said the 1099's are working with you not for you. So why do you care if you are just a worker bee . How would you own their house? You are clueless . It would take a lot of time and money to sue someone for all you have listed .

I am confused as to how your company that pays you on W2, will find out about a 1099?
You have to show them your actual tax forms each year?
 






I feel like 50 plus percent of direct med device sales will go 1099 in the next 5-10 years. Healthcare reform will insure the days of high salaries (maybe any salary) cars. insurance etc will come to an end for many.

Its a good time to get into the independent game if you can financially handle the 100% commission payout. You can make substantially more income but keep in mind you foot the bill on all expenses. Not having to answer to a manager or attend pointless sales meetings etc is worth it all right there.

Better to already be in the game than trying to get in the game with a flooded talent market when it all goes south. I realize 1099 is not for everybody but life is much much better all the way around for me anyway after making the jump. Good luck with your decision.

Agreed. Me too.

OP: Being as it will take a few minutes to achieve the same level of income you were making on a W2 + bonus basis, start working on a 1099 basis today and save, save, save.
 












Will someone explain how a if your working W2 and you get a 1099 from another company how the W2 company would find out?

Maybe if an RN, an MA, or the biller working for a doc was unable to contact the rep, and the RN, MA, or biller contacted the W2 employer to ask a question about the 1099 product or service, then the W2 employer would learn the rep is working a 1099 gig on the side.

Otherwise, I don't see how the W2 employer would be able to find out......unless the rep is stupid enough to boast to his/her jealous co-workers about the fantastic profits earned from working the 1099 gig, and the co-worker(s) then tattle.