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Did they honestly get rid of a rep who has been with this company for 7 years??? I know this rep passed on many other companies because he was loyal. His DM is an ass for this move.
 






I don't know exactly who or where you are referring to, but this is happening all over and all the time at forest now! In my division alone 11 out of 20 reps are new (hired within the last year) because the tenured reps have either been fired or forced to quit (i.e. pushed out!). My DM actually told me once in a field ride that new reps are better than experienced reps because they can detail better. I guess they want canned Commack details from reps with no relationships or rapport? Or maybe they just want to pay new reps a base of $45k/year instead of the $80k+ they are paying tenured reps? I wish the kool-aid drinkers on this site would get a clue. They are so foolish to believe that the reps being fired aren't working. That may be the case for SOME reps but most of the people I've seen go have been hard working and great sales people.
 






Many excellent hard working reps are getting fired from Forest. It is a cult that if you follow everything they tell you to do you will become a manager if not they will meet you at Starbuck's Coffee for your final farewell. Control and do as I say is Forest's mangement motto.
 


















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What rep was it and what is the story?
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I don't want to post the person's name but this person was one of the most loyal and hard working reps I have ever seen. The DM had it in for him for a while. No matter how well the territory performed he was bashed on field rides for unbelievable nonsense. The DM was so anxious to get rid of him and the position still isn't filled after 6 or 7 months.
 






Forest is not fooling anybody by using these tactics. It is the company's way of keeping complete control of the sales force and cutting costs. Any tenured rep is now considered a control threat, and add on the fact that they are probably making twice as much as a new hire - it's now formed the new Forest business model. Long gone are the days that relationships matter and DM's that have your best interests.

The management teams' sole duties now are to filter out the best, bring in the worst, and then do it all over again.

If you are a tenured rep, regardless of past performance, President's Club, current performance - you are a fool to think your job is secure. It is not, and hopefully your resume is in a dozen recruiters hands, and your interviewing skills are tip top.

No one is safe, and even if you are a model rep ( most of the ones who were canned are ) Forest will find a way to unload you.
 






Posted for a position with Forest and was told that they only want "inexperienced" regarding pharma!! Reps go through a few weeks training and then they become "experts the Forest way". So basically Doctors, PA's,CRNP's all now know that Forest is nothing but younger reps with little experience. Does Forest mang actually think that these prescribers will respect what these reps are saying?? Sending in inexperienced reps to our offices is just another reason why the offices are restricting or completely closing access. Rather than sending in some rookie, just send us an app where we can get samples online; and we will pass on the pizzia!!
 






Anonymous said:
Forest is not fooling anybody by using these tactics. It is the company's way of keeping complete control of the sales force and cutting costs. Any tenured rep is now considered a control threat, and add on the fact that they are probably making twice as much as a new hire - it's now formed the new Forest business model. Long gone are the days that relationships matter and DM's that have your best interests.

The management teams' sole duties now are to filter out the best, bring in the worst, and then do it all over again.

If you are a tenured rep, regardless of past performance, President's Club, current performance - you are a fool to think your job is secure. It is not, and hopefully your resume is in a dozen recruiters hands, and your interviewing skills are tip top.

No one is safe, and even if you are a model rep ( most of the ones who were canned are ) Forest will find a way to unload you.
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This folks is as about as clear as it keeps. concur from top to bottom. however one must also understand that this is not so much a "new agenda" forest has been quietly firing in 3,4's for a long time know, keeping it quiet and not paying unemployment bene's either.....typical for. What you will see now is an all out bloodletting and there is nobody here worth keeping accord. to forest DM's, every one of their reps are replaceable and will be worked out.....the quieter the better.....
 






my old manager actually told me that they had a list of the reps broken down by tenure and then president club rankings...said that they the "better" reps had been here for two or less years
 






Anonymous said:
my old manager actually told me that they had a list of the reps broken down by tenure and then president club rankings...said that they the "better" reps had been here for two or less years
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another classic BS post....yes, they want to get rid of their top performers....all one of them. Yes, the company wants to spend the $100K finding, hiring, and training a new rep every two years instead of paying a more tenured rep $25K/year more. Yeah....they like firing people so much that they would rather blow that extra 50K every other year instead of keeping a top performer and avoiding a vacancy for 3 months, just for the thrill of it. Really, I heard the managers have a secret chat board so they can all talk about how much fun they had firing their top performers to save the company money at the expense of their own B&C checks, and their own performance (and thus salary) evaluations. My God, is everyone on this board a mindless idiot? Is everyone so paranoid that they really think the entire Executive Mgmt team is out to get them? Do they really not realize the incredible cost of hiring and training a new person? Do they really think it is cheaper to fire people, esp top performers? I know this post will drag out all of the crazy people...be ready for the flood of "i've seen Forest fire top performers for years" stories. Never forget this: This company exists to make money. Period. And if you think it is cheaper to fire a successful fourth year rep in hire a new person, you are extremely niave. Too many people chirping without really knowing the cost structures involved....a lot of MBA wanna-be's. Or a lot of people who beleive their performance is better than it really is, and that are in denial as to the real reasons they may be "under the gun."
 






Anonymous said:
another classic BS post....yes, they want to get rid of their top performers....all one of them. Yes, the company wants to spend the $100K finding, hiring, and training a new rep every two years instead of paying a more tenured rep $25K/year more. Yeah....they like firing people so much that they would rather blow that extra 50K every other year instead of keeping a top performer and avoiding a vacancy for 3 months, just for the thrill of it. Really, I heard the managers have a secret chat board so they can all talk about how much fun they had firing their top performers to save the company money at the expense of their own B&C checks, and their own performance (and thus salary) evaluations. My God, is everyone on this board a mindless idiot? Is everyone so paranoid that they really think the entire Executive Mgmt team is out to get them? Do they really not realize the incredible cost of hiring and training a new person? Do they really think it is cheaper to fire people, esp top performers? I know this post will drag out all of the crazy people...be ready for the flood of "i've seen Forest fire top performers for years" stories. Never forget this: This company exists to make money. Period. And if you think it is cheaper to fire a successful fourth year rep in hire a new person, you are extremely niave. Too many people chirping without really knowing the cost structures involved....a lot of MBA wanna-be's. Or a lot of people who beleive their performance is better than it really is, and that are in denial as to the real reasons they may be "under the gun."
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This is my post....two things: 1) excuse the typo's please; and 2) this post is not intended to disrespect the Williamsport rep(s). I don't know them. But this string has become more than just a williamsport chain...it reflects the warped perspectives of way too many reps across the county....
 






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