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Will this guy walk?









Not so sure, the jury has deliberated for 3 days and legal analysts say a lengthy deliberation usually means good news for the defense. "It does sound like that the defense has raised enough reasonable doubt to keep the jury out deliberating for a while, and maybe even come back with a lesser charge, perhaps even second degree murder or manslaughter," said David Weinstein, a former prosecutor in Miami now in private practice.

Plus we don't know if anyone in the car was wearing a hoodie. Those things are very scary to white people (unless they're the ones wearing one).
 








Vagitarian said:
Not so sure, the jury has deliberated for 3 days and legal analysts say a lengthy deliberation usually means good news for the defense. "It does sound like that the defense has raised enough reasonable doubt to keep the jury out deliberating for a while, and maybe even come back with a lesser charge, perhaps even second degree murder or manslaughter," said David Weinstein, a former prosecutor in Miami now in private practice.

Plus we don't know if anyone in the car was wearing a hoodie. Those things are very scary to white people (unless they're the ones wearing one).
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Regardless, he is going to jail for a long time. Plus, I wonder what it's like to be an ex-cop in Prison? He's fucked.
 




Vagitarian said:
Not so sure, the jury has deliberated for 3 days and legal analysts say a lengthy deliberation usually means good news for the defense. "It does sound like that the defense has raised enough reasonable doubt to keep the jury out deliberating for a while, and maybe even come back with a lesser charge, perhaps even second degree murder or manslaughter," said David Weinstein, a former prosecutor in Miami now in private practice.

Plus we don't know if anyone in the car was wearing a hoodie. Those things are very scary to white people (unless they're the ones wearing one).
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I live in South Texas. If it is over 75 degrees (and for damn sure if it above 85) and anyone of any race or gender has on a hoodie with drawstrings pulled tight so that only their eyes show and they are covered with sunglasses, I absolutely know a few things: the kid may be insane, the kid may have a severe reaction to UV light, OR the kid is absolutely up to no good and is trying to avoid being recognized. Is this profiling? Does this make me prejudiced (and if so, against whom, as there is not any skin[they also like to keep the sleeves pulled over their hands] or hair showing)????
 




Walking Eagle said:
I live in South Texas. If it is over 75 degrees (and for damn sure if it above 85) and anyone of any race or gender has on a hoodie with drawstrings pulled tight so that only their eyes show and they are covered with sunglasses, I absolutely know a few things: the kid may be insane, the kid may have a severe reaction to UV light, OR the kid is absolutely up to no good and is trying to avoid being recognized. Is this profiling? Does this make me prejudiced (and if so, against whom, as there is not any skin[they also like to keep the sleeves pulled over their hands] or hair showing)????
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You may have a hoodie phobia.
 




Walking Eagle said:
I live in South Texas. If it is over 75 degrees (and for damn sure if it above 85) and anyone of any race or gender has on a hoodie with drawstrings pulled tight so that only their eyes show and they are covered with sunglasses, I absolutely know a few things: the kid may be insane, the kid may have a severe reaction to UV light, OR the kid is absolutely up to no good and is trying to avoid being recognized. Is this profiling? Does this make me prejudiced (and if so, against whom, as there is not any skin[they also like to keep the sleeves pulled over their hands] or hair showing)????
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No, it doesn't make you prejudiced in my book but it also doesn't mean you get to fire 10 rounds into a parked car of the guy dressed like that, does it? Why not walk away from the car? Why not call the cops? I don't like loud music out of cars any more than you do but I certainly wouldn't fire 10 rounds into a parked car over it no matter how they were dressed. Would you? Really?
 




Doc Who said:
You may have a hoodie phobia.
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Phobia = fear. Not afraid of hoodies. I do think young kids who try to dress like gang members (many use hoodies of a particular color or worn a certain way to identify their gang) are stupid. They are making themselves targets of the police, rival gang members, and the real gang members that they are trying to look like. Does this make me a racist?
 




Vagitarian said:
No, it doesn't make you prejudiced in my book but it also doesn't mean you get to fire 10 rounds into a parked car of the guy dressed like that, does it? Why not walk away from the car? Why not call the cops? I don't like loud music out of cars any more than you do but I certainly wouldn't fire 10 rounds into a parked car over it no matter how they were dressed. Would you? Really?
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Would I actually shoot into a car because of the loud music? no. But it makes a nice fantasy, especially when the boom-booms cruise by at 2 in the morning.
 




Walking Eagle said:
Phobia = fear. Not afraid of hoodies. I do think young kids who try to dress like gang members (many use hoodies of a particular color or worn a certain way to identify their gang) are stupid. They are making themselves targets of the police, rival gang members, and the real gang members that they are trying to look like. Does this make me a racist?
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No sir, it does not.
 




Walking Eagle said:
Phobia = fear. Not afraid of hoodies. I do think young kids who try to dress like gang members (many use hoodies of a particular color or worn a certain way to identify their gang) are stupid. They are making themselves targets of the police, rival gang members, and the real gang members that they are trying to look like. Does this make me a racist?
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Seriously, kids who try to copy gang clothing better be in that gang or they will get killed. We have a 'gang unit' in our county and anyone wearing gang clothing gets rousted on a regular basis plus they aren't allowed entrance to most public places. I'm all for it.
 




There is one in particular kid in my area--tall skinny geeky skater. Early evening, dark wearing black sweat pants, black hoodie zipped and drawn tight and wearing sunglasses. When I approached and the lights hit him, he plays ninja and slithers behind a tree while his buddy (also in all black) continues his death wish after dark by doing his board stunts in the street. They think they are uber-cool. I expect they to hauled in by the coroner for either imitating the wrong group or being hit by a truck. It will be difficult to be sad when it happens.
 




Walking Eagle said:
There is one in particular kid in my area--tall skinny geeky skater. Early evening, dark wearing black sweat pants, black hoodie zipped and drawn tight and wearing sunglasses. When I approached and the lights hit him, he plays ninja and slithers behind a tree while his buddy (also in all black) continues his death wish after dark by doing his board stunts in the street. They think they are uber-cool. I expect they to hauled in by the coroner for either imitating the wrong group or being hit by a truck. It will be difficult to be sad when it happens.
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Youth have been obnoxious forever. My buddies and I used to light a cigarette, work a frayed M80 fuse into the unlit end, sneak up to an open window (screens only) where someone was watching TV on a summer night and leave it - then sneak away and wait for the 'bomb' to scare the shit out of them. I learned this in Dallas (from kids at Thomas Jefferson HS) and took the trick home to KC. We were all early teen, white, asshole kids at times.
We're seeing a different type of 'assholiness' as time goes by. Here's a quote from Socrates:

“Our youth now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for their elders and love chatter in place of exercise; they no longer rise when elders enter the room; they contradict their parents, chatter before company; gobble up their food and tyrannize their teachers.”

Lotsa stuff pisses me off but not enough to hope someone dies over it unless they're a threat to life. But then again, it doesn't surprise me (nor do I lose sleep over it) when an assholy kids takes a dirt nap. One exception was a customer of mine let her sone take her Corvette out for a drive on his 16th birthday and he came down a grade too fast, lost control and was killed. Damn man, I even did that stuff now and then.
 




This just in - jury is 'struggling' with a verdict. What if it had been a black guy who pumped 9 shots into a car full of white kids playing loud music? Jesus fucking Christ!

After getting yelled at for telling a group of black teenagers to turn down their “rap crap” outside a Jacksonville convenience store in November 2012, Mr. Dunn, a white man, pulled out a gun and pumped nine bullets into an SUV, killing one of the teens. He then drove back to a motel room and walked his dog before turning himself into police the next day.
 




There must be more than what the media has reported. I read (I think last week) he has an eyewitness that said he was being threatened -- uh huh. Sure. Loud music scares the crap out of me too. NOT.

I really hope this guy is found guilty.
 




Lets go back to what started the problem: rude young men, not only with no respect for others, but most likely intentionally blaring music for the express purpose of irritating anyone over the age of 20. NO ONE of any age or ethnic background has the right to crank up (amp up?) music to the point that others in cars with windows up, engine running, A/C on, radio on, cannot carry on a conversation or listen to their own tunes. Same goes for motorcycles, cars, hotrods, with no mufflers or old worn out exhaust systems. When I am in my home with doors and windows closed, A/C going, etc, I should not be able to hear a vehicle coming that is still 2 blocks away. These kids have not been taught basic manners and respect and they think they are somehow entitled to do any damned thing they want with absolutely NO recourse. This needs to change!
 




Vagitarian said:
This just in - jury is 'struggling' with a verdict. What if it had been a black guy who pumped 9 shots into a car full of white kids playing loud music? Jesus fucking Christ!

After getting yelled at for telling a group of black teenagers to turn down their “rap crap” outside a Jacksonville convenience store in November 2012, Mr. Dunn, a white man, pulled out a gun and pumped nine bullets into an SUV, killing one of the teens. He then drove back to a motel room and walked his dog before turning himself into police the next day.
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Dunn is a scumbag and clearly unhinged - He belongs behind bars for a long time - I hope he gets sick and dies a horrible death in jail while thinking about the innocent life he needlessly took.

And you are right Vag, if Dunn had been a black guy, the jury would have convicted him a long time ago.
 




Walking Eagle said:
Lets go back to what started the problem: rude young men, not only with no respect for others, but most likely intentionally blaring music for the express purpose of irritating anyone over the age of 20. NO ONE of any age or ethnic background has the right to crank up (amp up?) music to the point that others in cars with windows up, engine running, A/C on, radio on, cannot carry on a conversation or listen to their own tunes. Same goes for motorcycles, cars, hotrods, with no mufflers or old worn out exhaust systems. When I am in my home with doors and windows closed, A/C going, etc, I should not be able to hear a vehicle coming that is still 2 blocks away. These kids have not been taught basic manners and respect and they think they are somehow entitled to do any damned thing they want with absolutely NO recourse. This needs to change!
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You make very good points and I agree - There has to be another way to deal with loud music other than taking the law into your own hands and taking an innocent life.
 








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