When Dr asks why another new Iluyma rep they know it’s a mess!

[anonymous]

What is company doing to stop barrage of resignations on Iluyma? Sun can’t spin this. Since drug launched when there is a 2nd or 3rd new TM in same territory that doesn’t look good let’s face it. I was told to give offices bs story about why other TM left to save face but they knew. When Dr says “even you all selling this drug don’t believe in it” you know it’s bad. Why ask these TMs to lie when leaving? I didn’t lie when I resigned, offices knew I thought this was a cluster f and maybe in time it’ll smooth out but not for awhile. Felt bad for person coming behind me but I’m not lying for Sun after how I did and said everything I was told only to have my word get trashed because Sun’s screwups. Sun you need to look at keeping people who work hard and have been committed because it’ll hurt business all these resignations.

 

[anonymous]

What is company doing to stop barrage of resignations on Iluyma? Sun can’t spin this. Since drug launched when there is a 2nd or 3rd new TM in same territory that doesn’t look good let’s face it. I was told to give offices bs story about why other TM left to save face but they knew. When Dr says “even you all selling this drug don’t believe in it” you know it’s bad. Why ask these TMs to lie when leaving? I didn’t lie when I resigned, offices knew I thought this was a cluster f and maybe in time it’ll smooth out but not for awhile. Felt bad for person coming behind me but I’m not lying for Sun after how I did and said everything I was told only to have my word get trashed because Sun’s screwups. Sun you need to look at keeping people who work hard and have been committed because it’ll hurt business all these resignations.

The other Sun reps trash Ilumya and then that negative thought is put in offices minds then the TMs quit. I don’t blame offices for not being willing to jump on board.
I didn’t want to burn bridges when I left and I didn’t push my offices to write knowing Hub was a disaster.
The person who replaced me is leaving and that would mean a 3rd TM and that’s all around not a good look to have 2 TMs leave this soon after launch. And my replacement will not lie for anyone, Ethics Ellen is not one to push to lie.

 

[anonymous]

The other Sun reps trash Ilumya and then that negative thought is put in offices minds then the TMs quit. I don’t blame offices for not being willing to jump on board.
I didn’t want to burn bridges when I left and I didn’t push my offices to write knowing Hub was a disaster.
The person who replaced me is leaving and that would mean a 3rd TM and that’s all around not a good look to have 2 TMs leave this soon after launch. And my replacement will not lie for anyone, Ethics Ellen is not one to push to lie.

It’s like watching a car wreck or a really bad movie passing the new tildra moron in the doctors hallways. They all have that same stench of desperation and regret.

 

[anonymous]

Don't lie about the situation. Just call it what it is and protect your own relationships and reputation on the the way out, while resting assured Sun wouldn't do the same for you.

 

[anonymous]

The other Sun reps trash Ilumya and then that negative thought is put in offices minds then the TMs quit. I don’t blame offices for not being willing to jump on board.
I didn’t want to burn bridges when I left and I didn’t push my offices to write knowing Hub was a disaster.
The person who replaced me is leaving and that would mean a 3rd TM and that’s all around not a good look to have 2 TMs leave this soon after launch. And my replacement will not lie for anyone, Ethics Ellen is not one to push to lie.

Well, when the non-Ilumya sales teams makes 50K+ less on the base alone, it creates issues.
It dates back to Fabbri and Fran selling Sun the ‘bio’ reps are worth that much more.
Well, we see how that’s working out now, aren’t we?

Then, add on all the messes created by the incompetence of Princeton and yeah, we’re very frustrated.

 

[anonymous]

Don't lie about the situation. Just call it what it is and protect your own relationships and reputation on the the way out, while resting assured Sun wouldn't do the same for you.

WHEN the ‘consolidation of territories’ (layoffs) happen, Sun will toss people to the side of the road with nothing.
THAT, you can bank on.

 

[anonymous]

Well, when the non-Ilumya sales teams makes 50K+ less on the base alone, it creates issues.
It dates back to Fabbri and Fran selling Sun the ‘bio’ reps are worth that much more.
Well, we see how that’s working out now, aren’t we?

Then, add on all the messes created by the incompetence of Princeton and yeah, we’re very frustrated.

I hear ya.

 

[anonymous]

Ok here are the facts
:Sun paid for highly skilled TMs and RSMs. Skilled is the operative word there.
:TMs were not supported by the FRMs. There can be many reasons for that. It’s a fact and Betty few Rx placed were turned into patients of Ilumya.
:There has been no clear direction yet TMs are held responsible for most disasters.
:The Hub took off like the Titantic without propellers. The ride has been less bumpy of late but consider we are still operating the least liked Hub to our customers.
:The crappiest part is that those who have tried it love it. Strangling the samples is a reaction that may backfire.
:Every launch losses reps. For many reasons. Managers too. Did you think SYN was immune from it?
:The pay is bad. Denying the bonus is foolish and not how you motivate reps.
:Everyone wants a promotion. SUN largely promised many new hires rapid promotions. Those managers are gone but their legacy of lies lives on has been challenging for the senior managers to untangle.
:Ilumya is a part of Sun. Other franchise reps were slamming us to our joint customers. Thanks for extending a helpful hand.
So What is next? Few promises from the NSM in April have been kept. The TMs are tired of holding on. But to be clear, it’s not about the drug itself.

 

[anonymous]

Ok here are the facts
:Sun paid for highly skilled TMs and RSMs. Skilled is the operative word there.
:TMs were not supported by the FRMs. There can be many reasons for that. It’s a fact and Betty few Rx placed were turned into patients of Ilumya.
:There has been no clear direction yet TMs are held responsible for most disasters.
:The Hub took off like the Titantic without propellers. The ride has been less bumpy of late but consider we are still operating the least liked Hub to our customers.
:The crappiest part is that those who have tried it love it. Strangling the samples is a reaction that may backfire.
:Every launch losses reps. For many reasons. Managers too. Did you think SYN was immune from it?
:The pay is bad. Denying the bonus is foolish and not how you motivate reps.
:Everyone wants a promotion. SUN largely promised many new hires rapid promotions. Those managers are gone but their legacy of lies lives on has been challenging for the senior managers to untangle.
:Ilumya is a part of Sun. Other franchise reps were slamming us to our joint customers. Thanks for extending a helpful hand.
So What is next? Few promises from the NSM in April have been kept. The TMs are tired of holding on. But to be clear, it’s not about the drug itself.

I agree 100%! Iluyma feedback is it’s a good drug BUT the bad is outweighing the good when it comes to docs willing to prescribe it for reasons you listed. Why on earth when it’s been reported that other franchise reps are slamming us is nothing done to address this sabotage?? One of my PAs told me she saw the other franchise rep pull my marketing pieces off display table and put them on lower shelf and it wasn’t to display her stuff, she just did it to do it! And different office this same rep said our Hub is a nightmare (true but why communicate that)!!

 

[anonymous]

This franchise is dead in the water. We all know it, but some of us seem reluctant to admit it. Every RSM, FRM and TM are interviewing, and even working in tandem to help find job opportunities. I have never seen such an environment.

 

[anonymous]

This franchise is dead in the water. We all know it, but some of us seem reluctant to admit it. Every RSM, FRM and TM are interviewing, and even working in tandem to help find job opportunities. I have never seen such an environment.

Yes I’m just waiting for KF to resign and then it’s really over

 

[anonymous]

Yes I’m just waiting for KF to resign and then it’s really over

Very objectively, I can believe that he and any of the marketing team still here. At the least, I’d have thought they would eject right after launch ( if they first didn’t die of embarrassment).

There are only two reason why not: (1) a strong retention bonus (2) the entire pharma industry can validate the success or failure of the launch and as such, none of them can get hired elsewhere.

 

[anonymous]

Very objectively, I can believe that he and any of the marketing team still here. At the least, I’d have thought they would eject right after launch ( if they first didn’t die of embarrassment).

There are only two reason why not: (1) a strong retention bonus (2) the entire pharma industry can validate the success or failure of the launch and as such, none of them can get hired elsewhere.

Typo * can’t believe ...

 

[anonymous]

Very objectively, I can believe that he and any of the marketing team still here. At the least, I’d have thought they would eject right after launch ( if they first didn’t die of embarrassment).

There are only two reason why not: (1) a strong retention bonus (2) the entire pharma industry can validate the success or failure of the launch and as such, none of them can get hired elsewhere.

Definitely a retention bonus must be in place. And yeah, everyone knows the launch was a disaster so it’s probably hard to get another job.

 

[anonymous]

#1 Prescribers aren’t stupid. They know a new TM and another new TM speaks poorly of company and product. They aren’t buying the spins.
A new TM may do some heavy promises and heavy petting (East) to get a few new scripts but that dies off when receptionist calls TM out on being a skank
#2 Competitors love seeing new TMs because they use that in saying their reps don’t even believe
Lose lose situation for Iluyma.
Too many know the salary chart and are pissed!! Do the right thing and make it fair.

 

[anonymous]

#1 Prescribers aren’t stupid. They know a new TM and another new TM speaks poorly of company and product. They aren’t buying the spins.
A new TM may do some heavy promises and heavy petting (East) to get a few new scripts but that dies off when receptionist calls TM out on being a skank
#2 Competitors love seeing new TMs because they use that in saying their reps don’t even believe
Lose lose situation for Iluyma.
Too many know the salary chart and are pissed!! Do the right thing and make it fair.

I just remembered about the salary info being hijacked and sent out !
Just another example of how eff’d up Sun is. We can’t even keep things like salary from getting out on the Internet.

I’ll bet Sun demands our health care claims submissions and weeds out those that have children with chronic medical needs.

That would not surprise me one bit.

 

[anonymous]

I just remembered about the salary info being hijacked and sent out !
Just another example of how eff’d up Sun is. We can’t even keep things like salary from getting out on the Internet.

I’ll bet Sun demands our health care claims submissions and weeds out those that have children with chronic medical needs.

That would not surprise me one bit.

Whah Whah Whah, says the cry baby slouch.

 

[anonymous]

Whah Whah Whah, says the cry baby slouch.

This is people’s livelihoods and no need to be a jerk.

 

[anonymous]

I just remembered about the salary info being hijacked and sent out !
Just another example of how eff’d up Sun is. We can’t even keep things like salary from getting out on the Internet.

I’ll bet Sun demands our health care claims submissions and weeds out those that have children with chronic medical needs.

That would not surprise me one bit.

That or finding out a woman is pregnant because she tells her boss, a newly diagnosed asthmatic child, someone needs eyeglasses and they’ll get fired for saying they aren’t safe to drive a fleet car. With Sun, I wouldn’t doubt anything.

 

[anonymous]

it’s not rocket science. The turnover rate is high, launch has been a colossal disaster in every business decision period. Our accounts aren’t stupid and either are our competitors planting seeds of doubt with all the FACTS that are out there. Look when a territory is having multiple TMs coming through the office no bullshit smokescreen is going to work. I resigned and one of my friends (unbeknownst to my former RSM) who is the PA at an office was told I left because I wasn’t a good fit?!?!
Stop trash talking reps RSM! You already had how many TMs leave??