What happened to logic?

anonymous

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I appreciate that USL tried to do something different. They made mistakes and actually at least attempted to make corrections in a relatively timely manner (at least compared to most pharm companies).
I can handle change. What I can't handle is the complete lack of logical thinking. SH and CT want to talk about the money that Trokendi has made. Guess what?! A majority of that business comes from physicians that either we weren't allowed to call on for a long time or weren't even in our system! With this new 50 target list, yet another primary care doctor has popped up for me (not in Veeva last quarter) with Trokendi scripts...not 1 or 2...over 100! Had these fools given us weekly data that included Trokendi data from day one (or even day 400) we could have a lot more business by now.
The idiotic reason for not providing this information was that they didn't want us chasing small targets. First of all, none of us have enough targets to really even fill 2 weeks to begin with! No high IR writer will be sacrificed, Chris. Secondly, why would you not make use of the ground work done by the competitor?! Clearly if a doctor is writing their drug, he/she values a once a day, has the right managed care situation, and can be accessed.
The issue is not the number of calls, how many emails or letters are sent, or the number of doctors sampled. The issue is that we have consistently had shitty information and direction when it comes to targeting - unmanageable and incomplete MC data (now slightly better), weekly data ONLY showing those who have written our product, and the crappiest database I've ever seen.
It's not like this hasn't been pointed out to them. They just don't listen. How about get someone in leadership that has sold a brand that competes with generics or, even better, someone who has sold an extended release before? Experience launching Topomax doesn't mean a damn thing. We aren't selling the molecule.
 






I appreciate that USL tried to do something different. They made mistakes and actually at least attempted to make corrections in a relatively timely manner (at least compared to most pharm companies).
I can handle change. What I can't handle is the complete lack of logical thinking. SH and CT want to talk about the money that Trokendi has made. Guess what?! A majority of that business comes from physicians that either we weren't allowed to call on for a long time or weren't even in our system! With this new 50 target list, yet another primary care doctor has popped up for me (not in Veeva last quarter) with Trokendi scripts...not 1 or 2...over 100! Had these fools given us weekly data that included Trokendi data from day one (or even day 400) we could have a lot more business by now.
The idiotic reason for not providing this information was that they didn't want us chasing small targets. First of all, none of us have enough targets to really even fill 2 weeks to begin with! No high IR writer will be sacrificed, Chris. Secondly, why would you not make use of the ground work done by the competitor?! Clearly if a doctor is writing their drug, he/she values a once a day, has the right managed care situation, and can be accessed.
The issue is not the number of calls, how many emails or letters are sent, or the number of doctors sampled. The issue is that we have consistently had shitty information and direction when it comes to targeting - unmanageable and incomplete MC data (now slightly better), weekly data ONLY showing those who have written our product, and the crappiest database I've ever seen.
It's not like this hasn't been pointed out to them. They just don't listen. How about get someone in leadership that has sold a brand that competes with generics or, even better, someone who has sold an extended release before? Experience launching Topomax doesn't mean a damn thing. We aren't selling the molecule.
You may have access to those writers but it doesn't necessarily mean they will write or value your product cause it's once a day. You have already stepped into those offices and have been laughed at with your me too product. I personally enjoy seeing your garbage in the offices I sell in cause it gives me more motivation to push mine. I love how you guys copy everything we do cause it shows how you really have no clue how to sell your product. Lmao!!
 






I appreciate that USL tried to do something different. They made mistakes and actually at least attempted to make corrections in a relatively timely manner (at least compared to most pharm companies).
I can handle change. What I can't handle is the complete lack of logical thinking. SH and CT want to talk about the money that Trokendi has made. Guess what?! A majority of that business comes from physicians that either we weren't allowed to call on for a long time or weren't even in our system! With this new 50 target list, yet another primary care doctor has popped up for me (not in Veeva last quarter) with Trokendi scripts...not 1 or 2...over 100! Had these fools given us weekly data that included Trokendi data from day one (or even day 400) we could have a lot more business by now.
The idiotic reason for not providing this information was that they didn't want us chasing small targets. First of all, none of us have enough targets to really even fill 2 weeks to begin with! No high IR writer will be sacrificed, Chris. Secondly, why would you not make use of the ground work done by the competitor?! Clearly if a doctor is writing their drug, he/she values a once a day, has the right managed care situation, and can be accessed.
The issue is not the number of calls, how many emails or letters are sent, or the number of doctors sampled. The issue is that we have consistently had shitty information and direction when it comes to targeting - unmanageable and incomplete MC data (now slightly better), weekly data ONLY showing those who have written our product, and the crappiest database I've ever seen.
It's not like this hasn't been pointed out to them. They just don't listen. How about get someone in leadership that has sold a brand that competes with generics or, even better, someone who has sold an extended release before? Experience launching Topomax doesn't mean a damn thing. We aren't selling the molecule.

I completely agree with almost all of this post. The only logic that doesn't make sense is calling on Drs that are already writing Trokendi. This is what we have been doing the entire time. Trying to steal their business by coming out with our generic, telling Drs we would replace Trokendi in the Pharmacy. We have literally copied everything Trokendi has done. And by calling on the Drs already writing we may get a few but no Dr is going to give us a majority of their business once they already started writing Trokendi. And I highly doubt we have many Drs who write Qudexy alone and not Trokendi. It's never going to happen for us, nothing is going to change the way this is going. I am relatively new ~1year and that's what I've gathered but please feel free to explain if I'm wrong.
 












if you don't think that you can take Trokendi business, then you've got bigger problems than working for this company. I've stollen a ton of it!

Apparently you should have "stollen" some spelling lessons as well........dumbass
As for "bigger problems than working for this company" goes, there are none. Is that really the point we are at right now? All we can do is follow around a bunch of ex-enterprise reps and try to steal their business? We are getting smoked by copier salespeople for crying out loud!
 






Apparently you should have "stollen" some spelling lessons as well........dumbass
As for "bigger problems than working for this company" goes, there are none. Is that really the point we are at right now? All we can do is follow around a bunch of ex-enterprise reps and try to steal their business? We are getting smoked by copier salespeople for crying out loud!
That's the problem, you think you have it all figured out. "Enterprise, copy machines, blah, blah". Have you clowns figured out that maybe what we sold in our past jobs were a bit more challenging than what we sell now? Sales is sales regardless what background you have and it all starts with people! I wouldn't wanna sell in your shit show and I honestly don't feel sorry for you. This is what I find so amazing about sales jobs... When someone or company has figured it out here comes this leach to tag along and try to get a piece of the pie. Then You (the leach) realize you actually have to work to get a piece of that pie. You WONT get a crumble of my pie. It's feast or famine and whoever you put in my territory won't survive. One has already bit the dust. I'm shocked the other is still employed with his one script. you can chase all day long cause that's all you've ever done. Like lost little mutt trying to find food. Eventually you'll end up dead in the side of the road!!