Wanna Bet How Many TMs Resign After Bonus Paid?

[anonymous]

I know of 8 TMs that will be resigning after bonus is paid. True up, true down, who cares. Those in top 10 that made a lot of $$$ for their unscrupulous tactics, get the check and run! Yeah yeah I know everyone stayed in “compliance” wink wink. “If” Ilumya team goes to meeting I wonder how many open territories will be available.

 

[anonymous]

I know of 8 TMs that will be resigning after bonus is paid. True up, true down, who cares. Those in top 10 that made a lot of $$$ for their unscrupulous tactics, get the check and run! Yeah yeah I know everyone stayed in “compliance” wink wink. “If” Ilumya team goes to meeting I wonder how many open territories will be available.

Ok, let’s get real here.
Someone tell me why anyone would stay with this company in any capacity.
As said before - SUN is not a destination for anyone who’s any good at what they do. It’s a dead end just before or just after a CSO job.
And for the home office: I don’t know how you people get up, look in the mirror and muster the motivation to walk in those doors each day. What a dismal way to spend the precious days of your life.

 

[anonymous]

Ok, let’s get real here.
Someone tell me why anyone would stay with this company in any capacity.
As said before - SUN is not a destination for anyone who’s any good at what they do. It’s a dead end just before or just after a CSO job.
And for the home office: I don’t know how you people get up, look in the mirror and muster the motivation to walk in those doors each day. What a dismal way to spend the precious days of your life.

With just a few exceptions, those at sun are a marked level below what you’d see in other ‘real’ Pharma companies. One very clear example is the company’s absolute inability to execute on anything - from training to onboarding, marketing materials, access - and from what you hear from the Illumya team - their HUB is a complete joke.

Separately, those designated as leaders are retreads at best. Dilip must be out of his mind seeing the numbers. And Mr. abhay - we are shocked that’s he’s not been yanked out and banished to a a tin-roofed hut in Dharavi.

 

[anonymous]

I know of 8 TMs that will be resigning after bonus is paid. True up, true down, who cares. Those in top 10 that made a lot of $$$ for their unscrupulous tactics, get the check and run! Yeah yeah I know everyone stayed in “compliance” wink wink. “If” Ilumya team goes to meeting I wonder how many open territories will be available.

I can't imagine that any rep here has been putting their career on hold for a $1500 bonus from Sun.

 

[anonymous]

I can't imagine that any rep here has been putting their career on hold for a $1500 bonus from Sun.

It depends.
If they leave Sun, they’ll likely be unemployed for a while, and so $1500 helps out.
You have to know that it’ll also take a Sun employee much longer to find another job. Name one person who left Sun and went to a bobafide pharna company. They go to another little POS startup, back to Walmart or to the unemployment line. Some have done all three.

You came here bc you suck and are clearly third-tier talent. It’ll be tough to compete for a real job.

You’re going to retire at Sun, maybe. And OMG, how depressing is that.

 

[anonymous]

It depends.
If they leave Sun, they’ll likely be unemployed for a while, and so $1500 helps out.
You have to know that it’ll also take a Sun employee much longer to find another job. Name one person who left Sun and went to a bobafide pharna company. They go to another little POS startup, back to Walmart or to the unemployment line. Some have done all three.

You came here bc you suck and are clearly third-tier talent. It’ll be tough to compete for a real job.

You’re going to retire at Sun, maybe. And OMG, how depressing is that.

I’ll presume you meant bona fide, and yeah, I’d agree

 

[anonymous]

This launch has been an epic failure and it’s due to senior leadership period. Things happen at a launch that can be fixed but this has been disastrous and the Hub is an embarrassment period. In field sales defense/TMs we were hustled on false promises to our face abs had to adapt to new directions every other day and it crushed our credibility. There are a lot of solid people as TMs that brought a lot to the salesforce and I hate seeing us get blamed and regarded as rejects. You weren’t there during interviews, calls, etc, when we were promised to be part of something exciting and to provide for our families so enough with the bashing.

 

[anonymous]

High turnover rate from all departments this early post launch and even before product available is/was huge red flag.

 

[anonymous]

This launch has been an epic failure and it’s due to senior leadership period. Things happen at a launch that can be fixed but this has been disastrous and the Hub is an embarrassment period. In field sales defense/TMs we were hustled on false promises to our face abs had to adapt to new directions every other day and it crushed our credibility. There are a lot of solid people as TMs that brought a lot to the salesforce and I hate seeing us get blamed and regarded as rejects. You weren’t there during interviews, calls, etc, when we were promised to be part of something exciting and to provide for our families so enough with the bashing.

Ok but really...the HUB?! Sun waited until the last minute to even put together one. When they did they hired a manager that was a TM and their only qualification was bust size (AG likes his toys). Sun put together a bonus plan and promised payout even though they had no way to get that data. So they had the brilliant idea of the HUB to capture it. The problem is that only 30-40% of offices will use a HUB. Most Ilumya new starts will never be captured. Sun knew this from the onset but lied to sales anyway.

So do I feel bad for those foreigner losers? Hell no. I feel bad for every TM and RSM that was sold this heap of steaming cow pies. Careers were ruined. Families are endangered. It has had a physical and mental toll on those people. Things just don’t get any nastier than that. I hope KF, FL & ST rot in hell for their arrogant lies to good honest people. So are we looking to leave. Yes, we all are.

 

[anonymous]

This launch has been an epic failure and it’s due to senior leadership period. Things happen at a launch that can be fixed but this has been disastrous and the Hub is an embarrassment period. In field sales defense/TMs we were hustled on false promises to our face abs had to adapt to new directions every other day and it crushed our credibility. There are a lot of solid people as TMs that brought a lot to the salesforce and I hate seeing us get blamed and regarded as rejects. You weren’t there during interviews, calls, etc, when we were promised to be part of something exciting and to provide for our families so enough with the bashing.

Well, actually I was there, observing those promises made by primarily by FL and ST, but also by others. But - I wasn’t in a position to get to all of you and give the truth. So, you’re adults and should have done more homework. At the end of the day it was a bad decision on your part. You had about 100 Levulan and Absorica reps and 20 inside people you could have contacted to get the inside story. You failed to do so. You took the bait and sat on your butt collecting stupid money before a delayed launch. I hope you saved it. I know of reputable people in Princeton who excused themselves from interviewing candidates bc they couldn’t look them in the eye and say ‘yeah, this is a good place to work. Come here’. There were too few of them and these comment are not limited to tildra-world. The cancer is rampant.

How many months after launch of tildra dies the CMO/VP Medical leave ? That doesn’t bode well for the company now does it ?

 

[anonymous]

Ok but really...the HUB?! Sun waited until the last minute to even put together one. When they did they hired a manager that was a TM and their only qualification was bust size (AG likes his toys). Sun put together a bonus plan and promised payout even though they had no way to get that data. So they had the brilliant idea of the HUB to capture it. The problem is that only 30-40% of offices will use a HUB. Most Ilumya new starts will never be captured. Sun knew this from the onset but lied to sales anyway.

So do I feel bad for those foreigner losers? Hell no. I feel bad for every TM and RSM that was sold this heap of steaming cow pies. Careers were ruined. Families are endangered. It has had a physical and mental toll on those people. Things just don’t get any nastier than that. I hope KF, FL & ST rot in hell for their arrogant lies to good honest people. So are we looking to leave. Yes, we all are.

 

[anonymous]

I can't imagine that any rep here has been putting their career on hold for a $1500 bonus from Sun.

No, people were sticking around because of the rhetoric that was being spewed by RSM's. They went into damage control (from FL and ST) mode 2 months ago telling TM's that they were hearing Sun was just going to pay the target bonus. Many people were sitting and waiting, which i think is poor planning on their part. You can bet those people are in full on job search mode now.

 

[anonymous]

Ok but really...the HUB?! Sun waited until the last minute to even put together one. When they did they hired a manager that was a TM and their only qualification was bust size (AG likes his toys). Sun put together a bonus plan and promised payout even though they had no way to get that data. So they had the brilliant idea of the HUB to capture it. The problem is that only 30-40% of offices will use a HUB. Most Ilumya new starts will never be captured. Sun knew this from the onset but lied to sales anyway.

So do I feel bad for those foreigner losers? Hell no. I feel bad for every TM and RSM that was sold this heap of steaming cow pies. Careers were ruined. Families are endangered. It has had a physical and mental toll on those people. Things just don’t get any nastier than that. I hope KF, FL & ST rot in hell for their arrogant lies to good honest people. So are we looking to leave. Yes, we all are.

You so nailed it - AG (and TG) are gawkers and hire based on let’s just say ... physical attributes above the waist.

 

[anonymous]

No, people were sticking around because of the rhetoric that was being spewed by RSM's. They went into damage control (from FL and ST) mode 2 months ago telling TM's that they were hearing Sun was just going to pay the target bonus. Many people were sitting and waiting, which i think is poor planning on their part. You can bet those people are in full on job search mode now.

The whole management team, including the RSM's should be ashamed of this shit show of perpetual lies and the credibility that they will NEVER get back.

 

[anonymous]

I kept an excel sheet of every Rx submitted to Hub or specialty pharmacy. Offices told me when they were going to SP. I’d ask my East RSM why some data was not showing in McKesson report to reflect true numbers and was given a “well be happy for scripts you see!” I said report sent to field sales was not accurate and would impact bonus, rank, etc. I’m so burned by Sun that the true up/true down, get SPP data later convo is bs. I don’t want to hear “it’ll all work out in end.” How about it being accurate now? We all know majority of scripts aren’t filled so those in the top 5 good for you but your numbers aren’t 100% accurate like the rest of us. I hope they pull Iluyma team from meeting. Save the money and just do a webex. No one wants to go!!

 

[anonymous]

You so nailed it - AG (and TG) are gawkers and hire based on let’s just say ... physical attributes above the waist.

it’s disgusting to see those guys lurking around those women. HR knows.

 

[anonymous]

it’s disgusting to see those guys lurking around those women. HR knows.

Gross. But I know who they ‘gawk at’ - it’s pretty easy to see.

 

[anonymous]

I kept an excel sheet of every Rx submitted to Hub or specialty pharmacy. Offices told me when they were going to SP. I’d ask my East RSM why some data was not showing in McKesson report to reflect true numbers and was given a “well be happy for scripts you see!” I said report sent to field sales was not accurate and would impact bonus, rank, etc. I’m so burned by Sun that the true up/true down, get SPP data later convo is bs. I don’t want to hear “it’ll all work out in end.” How about it being accurate now? We all know majority of scripts aren’t filled so those in the top 5 good for you but your numbers aren’t 100% accurate like the rest of us. I hope they pull Iluyma team from meeting. Save the money and just do a webex. No one wants to go!!

There is a good chance I may be resigning at the meeting.

 

[anonymous]

There is a good chance I may be resigning at the meeting.

Motivational poem of the day

They came from Abbvie and J&J,

with egos big as Dilip.

They sat a year,

fat, drinking beer.

Now they can’t get their will up!


Tildra, Tildra will save the day,

that’s what the mob all claimed.

But when they used the access HUB,

they all saw they were gamed.


SUN access team said all was covered,

Nearly all, 100 percent.

But when a few scant orders came,

much fewer filled and sent.


Bold TMs rolled new patients,

real easy when it’s free.

But Embrel and Humira will be back,

when patients pay a fee.



Better bios well on their way,

From BI and Abbvie.

With better data in their hands,

I think we all agree.


So here we stand,

Well short of goal,

and not a chance of hope.

I took this job with open eyes,

Blame no-one,

I’m the dope!


The Indians could care less,

US dollars in their pockets.

Peddling cheap generics to the world,

and helping Kim build nuke rockets.


But what about the future near?

Will Dilip pay us bonus?

Generosity loomed large last year,

But now, he clearly owns us!


We took his bait, got on the ship,

left prime jobs, took his money.

But looking back,

We were the fools.

A joke that’s not too funny.


So can I leave SUN Pharma,

and find a better place?

But after SUN, life gets tough.

A reputation hard to face.


I’ll give a few more months a try,

more Ilumya out for free.

Certainly no future here.

Even the blind, it’s plain, can see!

 

[anonymous]

Dead on poem! Sad but true!