What’s up with all these title inflations at Lilly? From what I can tell, all the Regional Sales Directors (2nd line mgrs) are called Associate VPs and the Sales Managers (1st line mgrs) are called Executive Business Directors? Haven’t seen this in any other big pharma. So what’s going on at Lilly?
Title Inflation?
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It’s a way for them to increase diversity numbers in leadership positions.
How so? This doesn’t make sense. The title inflation seems to be across the board with just as many white men with inflated titles. I would get it if most of big pharma are doing the same; Lilly would need to keep up with benchmarks. But that’s not the case. So this just makes them look silly at best or not on the up and up at worst. Feels like a bait and switch to lure candidates, but then the trust is lost. Or maybe to retain people with inflated titles?
Are you upset because you didn’t get one, dumbass?
No way! Lilly doing something stupid that no other company does?
Who has ever heard of such a thing?
Millennial scientists were whining their titles were not as fancy as other companies. Been complaining for years about but xyz said I’d be a senior director (even though Lilly offered more autonomy). So title inflation apparently more important to some in R&D over money and responsibilities. Sales force titles must have changed to match.
Same play, different decade. They create these made up titles like AVP and hand them out like candy to mostly non white males. It’s all about being sure we have a very high rank in Diversity Inc.
Are you upset because you didn’t get one, dumbass?
That's crap. I know you want to steer every discussion thread towards culture war issues, but this has nothing whatsoever to do with DEI. Not sure about sales, but for other professional roles (R&D, marketing, etc.) Lilly is just trying to align titles to the rest of the industry.
I will give you this, however: it's a bit silly that people worry about this. Any competent recruiter is going to look at what you're actually doing, talk to you for 5 minutes and see right through the title. And Lilly doesn't provide your past titles and promotion history in employment verification, anyway.
But Lilly figures hey, it's important to some people and it's basically free. So why not, if it helps us retain people at a lower salary than they're worth on the open market?
Based on the lack of substantive value in your response, you are exactly the type of person who will be given a fake AVP title. Enjoy cupcake.
My title was higher before I left. The only thing that bothers me is I actually had to work for mine.
The title inflation has nothing to do w diversity statistics. Lilly has already determined which levels on the different ladders (management, R&D, sales, manufacturing, etc) are equivalent. R&D scientists, for example, once promoted past the entry levels are included in “management” level diversity statistics and have been for decades. Sales ladder likely the same. So the title inflation doesn’t change diversity reporting.
Lilly has a long history of problems with diversity , so they are proactive now.
The best part about the title inflation is watching everyone race to update LinkedIn to make the changes and receive congratulatory messages.
even better is their acceptance of those messages.
even better is their acceptance of those messages.