Tips for Brillinta reps

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I'm a device rep calling on 2 very large academic institutions. I have no problem with you (or the Effient reps) being in the lab. What I do have a problem with is how all the sudden you keep showing up when your not on the schedule with the loser IC's you've hired to help pitch your failing drug. You idiots are going to ruin it for everyone in terms of access. I've watched 1 Az and 1 Medicines Co rep get kicked out in last 3 weeks.

Don't know who's drug is better and don't care, but at least the Effient reps act professional.

Access to the lab is a privilege which you are quickly losing.
 








Anonymous said:
I'm a device rep calling on 2 very large academic institutions. I have no problem with you (or the Effient reps) being in the lab. What I do have a problem with is how all the sudden you keep showing up when your not on the schedule with the loser IC's you've hired to help pitch your failing drug. You idiots are going to ruin it for everyone in terms of access. I've watched 1 Az and 1 Medicines Co rep get kicked out in last 3 weeks.

Don't know who's drug is better and don't care, but at least the Effient reps act professional.

Access to the lab is a privilege which you are quickly losing.
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Not even sure why a rep is showing up in the lab because NOBODY uses our drug - which is why we've hired every single doctor we can to speak for us. And, to ease your mind, Effient is the better drug. Were getting our asses handed to us.
 








Thanks for the hot tip device-boy. Now that I know you're bothered by our efforts, I'll summon the AZ army to descend upon you and your academic institution like a Biblical plague. Be careful who you criticize along the way. Poetic justice will no doubt find you on that very table one day, a victim of your own failed device, praying that our drug somehow manages to inhibit your platelet aggregation and save what's left of your miserable life. I just ordered a new set of scrubs - see you next Tuesday. I wrote myself in.
 




Anonymous said:
I'm a device rep calling on 2 very large academic institutions. I have no problem with you (or the Effient reps) being in the lab. What I do have a problem with is how all the sudden you keep showing up when your not on the schedule with the loser IC's you've hired to help pitch your failing drug. You idiots are going to ruin it for everyone in terms of access. I've watched 1 Az and 1 Medicines Co rep get kicked out in last 3 weeks.

Don't know who's drug is better and don't care, but at least the Effient reps act professional.

Access to the lab is a privilege which you are quickly losing.
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Geez, I thought getting tossed out of a cath lab demonstrates you're trying and is kind of a badge. At least that's what my AZ manager says. The more of us in there means the more face time we'll get and the less Effient will get. You mean that's wrong? It's sink or swim and only immediate business results matter buddy. Get outta our way.
 




I think the copier salesman should walk in to AZ's headquarters and sit in on a few meetings unannounced. Then when he is escorted out by security and maybe thrown in jail, his boss can call him a hero for trying.
 




I am a patient and the thought of a salesman in any medical setting makes me want to call my lawyer. Salespeople are not nurses or any type of medical professional. They have no place in an exam, operating, or laboratory of any kind. The people in the hospital have a hard enough job and should not be distracted by salespeople. Maybe the medtronic rep or nurse, but they have specific training and there is a need for them to be directly involved with the patient treatment. But not the silly Rx and device reps.
 




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Thanks for the hot tip device-boy. Now that I know you're bothered by our efforts, I'll summon the AZ army to descend upon you and your academic institution like a Biblical plague. Be careful who you criticize along the way. Poetic justice will no doubt find you on that very table one day, a victim of your own failed device, praying that our drug somehow manages to inhibit your platelet aggregation and save what's left of your miserable life. I just ordered a new set of scrubs - see you next Tuesday. I wrote myself in.
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Well written and fuckin funny, but true
 




Anonymous said:
I am a patient and the thought of a salesman in any medical setting makes me want to call my lawyer. Salespeople are not nurses or any type of medical professional. They have no place in an exam, operating, or laboratory of any kind. The people in the hospital have a hard enough job and should not be distracted by salespeople. Maybe the medtronic rep or nurse, but they have specific training and there is a need for them to be directly involved with the patient treatment. But not the silly Rx and device reps.
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You are an idiot of remarkable accord. I have personal STOPPED a doctor from using my product due to a contraindication on a patient on more than three occasions. I think that might be worth it on its own merit. Many procedures cannot begin in device until the rep arrives either with THE ACTUAL DEVICE or the equipment to deliver or monitor it once it is in your body. Sales people TRAIN the nurses and doctors. Where the fuck do you think YOUR doctor learns about a new product or device? Seriously. Where? I will help you: They learn from the representatives who are trained by the company on the FDA labeled use of the product along with ALL the ways it should NOT be used. Many representative are nurse, have MS degrees or were techs. I know of NO doctor or nurse who has the time or the energy to keep up with every new device and product. They rely on inservices conducted by the reps during what little time they can find during the course of the day. You have some kind of problem and need to figure out what it is. I personal have had many hospital stays and I always feel a little better when the reps are around because I know they are watching to make sure not one damn thing goes wrong. You think we like filing reports? NO. You think we want anything to go wrong while we are there or while our product or device is being used? No. Get some help troll.
 




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Hired as in speakers?

If they are taking speakers into hospitals unannounced they will be laughed out of every institution.

This isn't primary care folks.
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Yes but 85% of the Brilinta reps are primary care reps! And they are clueless in the hospitals. They only they our Brilinta reps know what to do it find their way to the Cath Lab of which they have NO access!
 




Anonymous said:
Many procedures cannot begin in device until the rep arrives either with THE ACTUAL DEVICE or the equipment to deliver or monitor it once it is in your body. Sales people TRAIN the nurses and doctors.
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A device rep provided with a medical practitioner may assist and train health care professionals in device use. Medical reps ain't device reps. If a doc is worth a salt they'll read the full prescribing information including adverse events. A drug rep sure ain't gonna emphasize every one of these after all the fluffy messaging, and AE's are one of the most important areas to know well. If a drug is approved for use doctor and hospital pharmacy have usually talked extensively. IC's have to know more than the reps about ALL the drugs they use. And yeah, I'm a rep.
 








Anonymous said:
A device rep provided with a medical practitioner may assist and train health care professionals in device use. Medical reps ain't device reps. If a doc is worth a salt they'll read the full prescribing information including adverse events. A drug rep sure ain't gonna emphasize every one of these after all the fluffy messaging, and AE's are one of the most important areas to know well. If a drug is approved for use doctor and hospital pharmacy have usually talked extensively. IC's have to know more than the reps about ALL the drugs they use. And yeah, I'm a rep.
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No, they actually do not. Some do but many do not know. They have a lot products confused and they do not know all the contraindications. Next time you are in the lab, ask more questions especially if YOUR product is being used. I cannot count the times one of my older products was NOT dose adjusted correctly for a patient with renal impairment.
 








WOW! brilinta average monthly sales in the U.S. were a little under $12 million per month. It's not even paying it's own way. I give Frenchie credit in trying to make this dog hunt, but at some point, the math behind it all must be considered. I think it's an ego thing with Frenchie. He doesn't seem to know when to walk away.
 




Anonymous said:
WOW! brilinta average monthly sales in the U.S. were a little under $12 million per month. It's not even paying it's own way. I give Frenchie credit in trying to make this dog hunt, but at some point, the math behind it all must be considered. I think it's an ego thing with Frenchie. He doesn't seem to know when to walk away.
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They got the launch they wanted, and the team they picked. Unfortunately it was wrong in every way.
 








Anonymous said:
You are an idiot of remarkable accord. I have personal STOPPED a doctor from using my product due to a contraindication on a patient on more than three occasions. I think that might be worth it on its own merit. Many procedures cannot begin in device until the rep arrives either with THE ACTUAL DEVICE or the equipment to deliver or monitor it once it is in your body. Sales people TRAIN the nurses and doctors. Where the fuck do you think YOUR doctor learns about a new product or device? Seriously. Where? I will help you: They learn from the representatives who are trained by the company on the FDA labeled use of the product along with ALL the ways it should NOT be used. Many representative are nurse, have MS degrees or were techs. I know of NO doctor or nurse who has the time or the energy to keep up with every new device and product. They rely on inservices conducted by the reps during what little time they can find during the course of the day. You have some kind of problem and need to figure out what it is. I personal have had many hospital stays and I always feel a little better when the reps are around because I know they are watching to make sure not one damn thing goes wrong. You think we like filing reports? NO. You think we want anything to go wrong while we are there or while our product or device is being used? No. Get some help troll.
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My doctor learns what he needs to know from reliable sources, not sources trying to make a buck selling something. My doctor waits and sees before trying the newest "innovation" for restless leg syndrome. If you think you have any credibility left, read the link:

http://projects.propublica.org/graphics/bigpharma
 




And of course there's this one (a little late but you can see the trend:

http://www.citizen.org/documents/rapidlyincreasingcriminalandcivilpenalties.pdf


And this one:

http://www.naturalnews.com/042562_total_corruption_drug_companies_FDA_advisory_panels.html


And plenty more.

We don't need any more combination products and the Rx industry has never been where innovation comes from; now they've all dumped their research function and quit spending money on it. Your defensive anger and use of such strong language, writing to me: "You have some kind of problem and need to figure out what it is," and "get some help," in response to my claim that salespeople don't belong in a medical setting indicates that you know I am right.
 




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