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selling what? there is no selling, you don't need a contract at the end, that is not selling. Try med sales, that is true selling. so it should be 0% selling. 100% the rest.
 












Anonymous said:
selling what? there is no selling, you don't need a contract at the end, that is not selling. Try med sales, that is true selling. so it should be 0% selling. 100% the rest.
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You don't need a contract at the end of your presentation for it qualify as selling you stupid moron. If you convince a Dr. to write your med over a competitors' med then you sold them. I've sold milions of dollars of products and services over the years and not used a contract - dumb fuck!
 






I must agree with this last post. Ours is the toughest kind of sales. At the end of the day some might have a contract but with pharma sales you just don't know. Contract sales may be very simplistic but I guess it's a simple process for a simple mind.
 












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Really! I had to sign a contract for my cell phone service! and my rental car! tough job.
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You must been stuck at Forest for a long time.
Contract= A signed contract, and without it you do need make a dime on commission and not meet your quota.
I was once in Pharm sales and now in Med Device, total ball game. I get a small base, but really good commission/bonus. We do not make any extra money and meet our quota if at the end of the day we do not have a signed contract in hand. Unlike Pharma, regardless you still get a fat base and all you need to do is drop off samples/drop off lunch/speak program/and you still get paid...
 


















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You must been stuck at Forest for a long time.
Contract= A signed contract, and without it you do need make a dime on commission and not meet your quota.
I was once in Pharm sales and now in Med Device, total ball game. I get a small base, but really good commission/bonus. We do not make any extra money and meet our quota if at the end of the day we do not have a signed contract in hand. Unlike Pharma, regardless you still get a fat base and all you need to do is drop off samples/drop off lunch/speak program/and you still get paid...
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Fat base and commission? Sure you were with Forest?
 






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Fat base and commission? Sure you were with Forest?
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Device you get a signed contract which lifts your bonus to the level of the sale. It is not hoping that your PCP's write an Rx and fill it at your best pharmacy. Medical device is real sales...sign on the dotted line or no pay for you. Low base...HUGE commisions. W2 $215,000 last year and had fun doing it. Expense reviews...cmon. time stamps...thats amateur pharma.

Get a job where if you feel you actually CAN sell ( most phama cant) and blow you numbers out of the water. No closed offices...they want you there all the time to help in Med device. You are aprreciated and add value. Its work , but it makes pharma look like a cater who who needs bystolic to lower their BP each day from useless DM who want to upgrade to device but realize they dont have the skills either. You are useless amd a puppet if you cant leave. Forget the family, for get the kids, do the best for YOU. Pharma is a joke and we all know it.
 






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Device you get a signed contract which lifts your bonus to the level of the sale. It is not hoping that your PCP's write an Rx and fill it at your best pharmacy. Medical device is real sales...sign on the dotted line or no pay for you. Low base...HUGE commisions. W2 $215,000 last year and had fun doing it. Expense reviews...cmon. time stamps...thats amateur pharma.

Get a job where if you feel you actually CAN sell ( most phama cant) and blow you numbers out of the water. No closed offices...they want you there all the time to help in Med device. You are aprreciated and add value. Its work , but it makes pharma look like a cater who who needs bystolic to lower their BP each day from useless DM who want to upgrade to device but realize they dont have the skills either. You are useless amd a puppet if you cant leave. Forget the family, for get the kids, do the best for YOU. Pharma is a joke and we all know it.
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Hope your okay with you commissions getting cut and if your to naieve to realize that managed care will soon dictate implant purchases more and more your are the fool. Enjoy your fat commissions and don't blow them all on tanning contracts and cars. Med device will go the way of pharma. Don't believe me, I don't care. I also used to work at Forest and when I talk to the big guns in med device, the whining is only getting worse about pay, access, and the value of of opening up a set for your doctors. If you think hospitals value annoying device reps, your so full of yourself. They could hire a PA to do all the implants that won on the bid that happened when you were out tanning.
 






Anonymous said:
Device you get a signed contract which lifts your bonus to the level of the sale. It is not hoping that your PCP's write an Rx and fill it at your best pharmacy. Medical device is real sales...sign on the dotted line or no pay for you. Low base...HUGE commisions. W2 $215,000 last year and had fun doing it. Expense reviews...cmon. time stamps...thats amateur pharma.

Get a job where if you feel you actually CAN sell ( most phama cant) and blow you numbers out of the water. No closed offices...they want you there all the time to help in Med device. You are aprreciated and add value. Its work , but it makes pharma look like a cater who who needs bystolic to lower their BP each day from useless DM who want to upgrade to device but realize they dont have the skills either. You are useless amd a puppet if you cant leave. Forget the family, for get the kids, do the best for YOU. Pharma is a joke and we all know it.
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You are so right. A lot of pharma reps think they a "sales rep" but in reality they are customer associates/promoter/marketer/food delivers. Think about when was the last time Pharm reps had to have a signed contract/doc to get paid. Look at a lot of the device sales position, it will say "pharma sales experience no need to apply" because Device manager knows that pharm reps don't sell, they are used to the high base and will not survive the low base and work your butt off on commission. Pharma sales is not "selling", it is promoting/marketing. What do you think now customer are cutting a lot of the reps and hiring high school graduates to the job for $35K. If you don't believe, than take at look at this openings for CSA:
http://www.cafepharma.com/boards/showthread.php?t=487228&page=2

Think about it, if companies could pay someone to do the same job for $35k (no car), why would they pay you 60K for the same gig?
 












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You are so right. A lot of pharma reps think they a "sales rep" but in reality they are customer associates/promoter/marketer/food delivers. Think about when was the last time Pharm reps had to have a signed contract/doc to get paid. Look at a lot of the device sales position, it will say "pharma sales experience no need to apply" because Device manager knows that pharm reps don't sell, they are used to the high base and will not survive the low base and work your butt off on commission. Pharma sales is not "selling", it is promoting/marketing. What do you think now customer are cutting a lot of the reps and hiring high school graduates to the job for $35K. If you don't believe, than take at look at this openings for CSA:
http://www.cafepharma.com/boards/showthread.php?t=487228&page=2

Think about it, if companies could pay someone to do the same job for $35k (no car), why would they pay you 60K for the same gig?[/

I am in hospital sales launching Teflaro. I've done B2B, pharma, medical device, and retail. Can't speak for the other divisions but trust me, this hospital team is selling. In fact, I would venture to say that most device reps wouldn't be able to hack it in this division. The turnover here is worse than xerox/adp. Here you have a year to perform them you're out.
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You are so right. A lot of pharma reps think they a "sales rep" but in reality they are customer associates/promoter/marketer/food delivers. Think about when was the last time Pharm reps had to have a signed contract/doc to get paid. Look at a lot of the device sales position, it will say "pharma sales experience no need to apply" because Device manager knows that pharm reps don't sell, they are used to the high base and will not survive the low base and work your butt off on commission. Pharma sales is not "selling", it is promoting/marketing. What do you think now customer are cutting a lot of the reps and hiring high school graduates to the job for $35K. If you don't believe, than take at look at this openings for CSA:
http://www.cafepharma.com/boards/showthread.php?t=487228&page=2

Think about it, if companies could pay someone to do the same job for $35k (no car), why would they pay you 60K for the same gig?[/

I am in hospital sales launching Teflaro. I've done B2B, pharma, medical device, and retail. Can't speak for the other divisions but trust me, this hospital team is selling. In fact, I would venture to say that most device reps wouldn't be able to hack it in this division. The turnover here is worse than xerox/adp. Here you have a year to perform them you're out.
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You lucky you get a year, xerox, and other true b2b only gives you six months.
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You lucky you get a year, xerox, and other true b2b only gives you six months.
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That's sort of true but the turn over rate at B2B is 10-20% per year. Usually the bottom 10% get the ax. The first year turnover in hospital is about 30%. The pressure is every bit as intense as B2B/ device. Everyone is starting off at 0 and orders are tracked weekly. You also don't have samples, warm leads, order forms, or laser pointers to get you in front of your customers.
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In the end, who really cares whats considered a sales job or not.

Whatever it is, pharma/med sales/xerox sales, you can't live in the fourth quartile and expect to keep your job.

Only ones that care that are very insecure of themselves.
 






Anonymous said:
You must been stuck at Forest for a long time.
Contract= A signed contract, and without it you do need make a dime on commission and not meet your quota.
I was once in Pharm sales and now in Med Device, total ball game. I get a small base, but really good commission/bonus. We do not make any extra money and meet our quota if at the end of the day we do not have a signed contract in hand. Unlike Pharma, regardless you still get a fat base and all you need to do is drop off samples/drop off lunch/speak program/and you still get paid...
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I am not stuck at Forest, as I have pride and a sack, however I do work in Pharma, and you are exactly correct. I work 2 days a week, do not have to sell shit- do not have to try and beg and misconceive for a "signed contract".... I simply have to order free food, have it delivered, pop in after my golf game pick up the receipt, and turn in a copy of the receipt.....you bet your stupid ass that this is the best job in the world. I would not trade it for anything. You stick to "device" and I will stick to a "fat base" a free car, very cheap full family medical insurance, free reimbursable gym membership, free internet, free cell phone, free car insurance, free car maintenance, trips to Caribbean destinations for my fam on the companies dime, speaker programs and dropping off a sample and getting my drink on a few times a month at 5 star steak houses with a free box of cuban cigars, enough whiskey to fill my pool (by the way paid for by "sample dropping" and "hoagie ordering".....screw the "contract" this is real sales....now you tell me again, why is pharma a non sales job....I do not care if it is sales or not or a signed contract or not....get a clue bozo!
 






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