The thing about Forest... at least in Mass.

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I took this job after the mortgage industry imploded. Say what you will. Think what you want. But, working in the mortgage industry pre-implosion was hard work and very rewarding. I didn't have the lowest rates but I did have superior customer service and I sold that to my clients and ultimately did very well financially. I have been in the sales industry since college and have always loved it. Especially the work-hard, play-hard mentality. I'm not sure about the rest of the country, I'm sure you share some version of this, but in Mass you have minimum expectations. Nothing different from sales jobs I've had in the past. Our minimum expectations is to meet goal for all three of our products each and every month. The only problem was I NEVER saw anyone actually do this. I've seen people make goal for two products but never three and this includes myself.
As someone who held making a goal the priority to keeping my job, what I saw at Forest was you can still keep your job and not make goal. Confusing right? I thought so. If they want to fire you, you start off with an LOC and move thru this process. The process is really drawn out, I can't understand why. Especially in Mass where you can let anyone go for any reason. If you get a black mark on your it NEVER goes away and is brought up at each and every review. Praise is given to teammates that call out other teammates. Why? It doesn't make any sense to me. Especially, when you rarely see or talk to your teammates. In the end, I think it's an interesting place to work. But, not a sales job.
 






Thank you very very very much for this post. I am currently choosing between the financial industry and forest. I have been in sales since 2004. I have a interview with a regional coming up soon. I have worked for Wells Fargo Financial and Wells Fargo Small Business Consulting. You know finance and you know pharma, do you regret making the switch.
 












It's seriously, a good job. But, you don't have clients or customers. Your job is to sell Forest's products to Drs. But, they don't actually buy anything from you. Drs. don't call you, they don't place orders and for the most part, don't have time for you to explain to them why they should write your medication. What they have to do, is write your medication as a prescription for patients. If your medication doesn't have medical coverage, it's much harder for a Dr to justify a higher co-pay to the patient unless he really believes in the medication. My experience is that Drs will give you time in front of your manager and allow you to detail them, however, that is not how it is every day. It also defeats the whole purpose of what you're supposed to be doing. It's a big games, that EVERYONE, is in on. It's also very challenging when you share your results as a team. But, the whole team doesn't always get credit when their is success. First hand, I worked with a teammate that received A LOT of credit for things that really weren't her ideas or results from what that person did. But, that person had no problem taking credit from teammates. You have to think about what you want as a career. Working for Forest is very stressfull, but not the typical stress that comes with sales. My experience was always what my numbers were at the end of the month and how much money I would make. At Forest, I find it to be a big game and personally, really lame.
 






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It's seriously, a good job. But, you don't have clients or customers. Your job is to sell Forest's products to Drs. But, they don't actually buy anything from you. Drs. don't call you, they don't place orders and for the most part, don't have time for you to explain to them why they should write your medication. What they have to do, is write your medication as a prescription for patients. If your medication doesn't have medical coverage, it's much harder for a Dr to justify a higher co-pay to the patient unless he really believes in the medication. My experience is that Drs will give you time in front of your manager and allow you to detail them, however, that is not how it is every day. It also defeats the whole purpose of what you're supposed to be doing. It's a big games, that EVERYONE, is in on. It's also very challenging when you share your results as a team. But, the whole team doesn't always get credit when their is success. First hand, I worked with a teammate that received A LOT of credit for things that really weren't her ideas or results from what that person did. But, that person had no problem taking credit from teammates. You have to think about what you want as a career. Working for Forest is very stressfull, but not the typical stress that comes with sales. My experience was always what my numbers were at the end of the month and how much money I would make. At Forest, I find it to be a big game and personally, really lame.
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thanks moron-your incite is most illuminating-go back to Country Buffett
 












Anonymous said:
Thank you very very very much for this post. I am currently choosing between the financial industry and forest. I have been in sales since 2004. I have a interview with a regional coming up soon. I have worked for Wells Fargo Financial and Wells Fargo Small Business Consulting. You know finance and you know pharma, do you regret making the switch.
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Interesting, I would be interested to do what you do: "A Wells Fargo business consultant".You can have this Pharma job I can't wait to get out. I used to sell Insurance and capital equipment so I know what a real sales job is and hope they let me get back into it. My biggest concern is my Pharma experience is like a big stain on your resume they think you can't sell. I just pray the real sales world will forgive me and let me get back in.

As I said I would really like to know about what background is required for the small business consulting position. What does the position entail? What did you like? What did you not like? I could understand you might be tired of it and looking for a change so maybe Pharma would be good for you yet for me I'd rather do what you do.
 






Anonymous said:
Interesting, I would be interested to do what you do: "A Wells Fargo business consultant".You can have this Pharma job I can't wait to get out. I used to sell Insurance and capital equipment so I know what a real sales job is and hope they let me get back into it. My biggest concern is my Pharma experience is like a big stain on your resume they think you can't sell. I just pray the real sales world will forgive me and let me get back in.

As I said I would really like to know about what background is required for the small business consulting position. What does the position entail? What did you like? What did you not like? I could understand you might be tired of it and looking for a change so maybe Pharma would be good for you yet for me I'd rather do what you do.
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You have to have a strong outside sales background because you will be part of a aquisition team. You have to understand all the different product lines the bank offers and you have to understand the way different businesses are structured. You don't focus on one industry you focus on all industries you are a expert of none and a jack of all. Go to any of the major banks websites and look at what they offer small to mid sized businesses. Keep in mind federal regulations make the industry very shaky. As a small business specialist you are protected because you are a specialist. Great money great career path but federal regulations are nerve racking.
 






Anonymous said:
Interesting, I would be interested to do what you do: "A Wells Fargo business consultant".You can have this Pharma job I can't wait to get out. I used to sell Insurance and capital equipment so I know what a real sales job is and hope they let me get back into it. My biggest concern is my Pharma experience is like a big stain on your resume they think you can't sell. I just pray the real sales world will forgive me and let me get back in.

As I said I would really like to know about what background is required for the small business consulting position. What does the position entail? What did you like? What did you not like? I could understand you might be tired of it and looking for a change so maybe Pharma would be good for you yet for me I'd rather do what you do.
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Oh and that college degree is a must.
 






you're not building a business - you're just working and pretending that you're really busy. anyone that says they are really busy is BS! EVERYONE on here will agree to that and if they're not, they're big fat liars!
 






Anonymous said:
You have to have a strong outside sales background because you will be part of a aquisition team. You have to understand all the different product lines the bank offers and you have to understand the way different businesses are structured. You don't focus on one industry you focus on all industries you are a expert of none and a jack of all. Go to any of the major banks websites and look at what they offer small to mid sized businesses. Keep in mind federal regulations make the industry very shaky. As a small business specialist you are protected because you are a specialist. Great money great career path but federal regulations are nerve racking.
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Thank you for your response. Do they hire outside the industry? Do you need a series 7 or special licensing?

I have the exposure to all types of businesses since I sold insurance and in capital equipment I called on industrial accounts, high volume labs, federal and state accounts etc. etc. etc. The territory was huge several states so I wanted to tone it down a bit and went into Pharma. Unfortunately the job dumbed incrementally over time now it's excruciating.
 












licenses are beneficial when you are trying to cross sale benefits of other Wells Fargo products. If you have your series 7 it is beneficial. Wells Fargo Has a insurance divison you should take a look at. I worked verry closely with insurance. Not very challenging but high on compensation. Insurance is a big profit diver for the banks. Go to their job board and Look for a Business banking specialist position. One of the best positions at wells is the Merchant Sales Consultant. MSC have a great salary and it is challenging and you have uncapped earning potential.

I am interviewing with a regional soon. Can you give me some insight on what to expect in that interview. I also was told i have to take a two week biology module before im hired can you give me information on that.
 






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licenses are beneficial when you are trying to cross sale benefits of other Wells Fargo products. If you have your series 7 it is beneficial. Wells Fargo Has a insurance divison you should take a look at. I worked verry closely with insurance. Not very challenging but high on compensation. Insurance is a big profit diver for the banks. Go to their job board and Look for a Business banking specialist position. One of the best positions at wells is the Merchant Sales Consultant. MSC have a great salary and it is challenging and you have uncapped earning potential.

I am interviewing with a regional soon. Can you give me some insight on what to expect in that interview. I also was told i have to take a two week biology module before im hired can you give me information on that.
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I didn't have to do a 2 week biology module before being hired. The training begins after you accept the position and it is intense. Alot to read and cram yet you'll get through it. Interviews vary sometimes you end up casually talking , sometimes they get formal and follow the STAR method. Example:Tell me a time when you.... have examples ready when you helped the team, when you had to deal with a difficult team mate and what did you do to solve it, example of when you lead etc. etc. typical interview questions. Have your war stories ready and then draw upon them to answer their questions. Someone with your business acumen will be fine.

My best to you. If you want it I hope you get it.
 






Anonymous said:
I didn't have to do a 2 week biology module before being hired. The training begins after you accept the position and it is intense. Alot to read and cram yet you'll get through it. Interviews vary sometimes you end up casually talking , sometimes they get formal and follow the STAR method. Example:Tell me a time when you.... have examples ready when you helped the team, when you had to deal with a difficult team mate and what did you do to solve it, example of when you lead etc. etc. typical interview questions. Have your war stories ready and then draw upon them to answer their questions. Someone with your business acumen will be fine.

My best to you. If you want it I hope you get it.
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Ms Bus Sales Consultant 1 is the position you want a great move.
 


















I'm in the hospital group in Mass-and I'm really liking how I can help the patients, with my antibiotic. Although I have no sales-I feel I am partnering with my acccounts and they appreciate a gal like me. I've been in other area's of the country and I think Mass is as good or bad as anywhere else. It's all about what value you can bring!!
 






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