the state against blacks

[jasmin]

Excellent reading, common sense, and I think this will resonate with many of you.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704881304576094221050061598.html
"The welfare state has done to black Americans what slavery couldn't do, what Jim Crow couldn't do, what the harshest racism couldn't do," Mr. Williams says. "And that is to destroy the black family."

"I learned that you have to evaluate the effects of public policy as opposed to intentions."

"Today I doubt you could find any significant problem that blacks face that is caused by racial discrimination. The 70% illegitimacy rate is a devastating problem, but it doesn't have a damn thing to do with racism. The fact that in some areas black people are huddled in their homes at night, sometimes serving meals on the floor so they don't get hit by a stray bullet—that's not because the Klan is riding through the neighborhood."

And the best line in the entire article:
"We need a constitutional amendment that limits the amount of money the government can spend," he says. "Let's say 18% of GDP to start. The benefit of a spending limitation amendment is that you're going to force Congress to trade off against the various spending constituencies."

 

[Conservative Independent Here]

Excellent reading, common sense, and I think this will resonate with many of you.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704881304576094221050061598.html
"The welfare state has done to black Americans what slavery couldn't do, what Jim Crow couldn't do, what the harshest racism couldn't do," Mr. Williams says. "And that is to destroy the black family."

"I learned that you have to evaluate the effects of public policy as opposed to intentions."

"Today I doubt you could find any significant problem that blacks face that is caused by racial discrimination. The 70% illegitimacy rate is a devastating problem, but it doesn't have a damn thing to do with racism. The fact that in some areas black people are huddled in their homes at night, sometimes serving meals on the floor so they don't get hit by a stray bullet—that's not because the Klan is riding through the neighborhood."

And the best line in the entire article:
"We need a constitutional amendment that limits the amount of money the government can spend," he says. "Let's say 18% of GDP to start. The benefit of a spending limitation amendment is that you're going to force Congress to trade off against the various spending constituencies."

That is a great article and full of common sense. So I am sure the libtards will be on here shortly bashing it.

 

[Man For All Seasons]

Excellent reading, common sense, and I think this will resonate with many of you.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704881304576094221050061598.html
"The welfare state has done to black Americans what slavery couldn't do, what Jim Crow couldn't do, what the harshest racism couldn't do," Mr. Williams says. "And that is to destroy the black family."

"I learned that you have to evaluate the effects of public policy as opposed to intentions."

"Today I doubt you could find any significant problem that blacks face that is caused by racial discrimination. The 70% illegitimacy rate is a devastating problem, but it doesn't have a damn thing to do with racism. The fact that in some areas black people are huddled in their homes at night, sometimes serving meals on the floor so they don't get hit by a stray bullet—that's not because the Klan is riding through the neighborhood."

And the best line in the entire article:
"We need a constitutional amendment that limits the amount of money the government can spend," he says. "Let's say 18% of GDP to start. The benefit of a spending limitation amendment is that you're going to force Congress to trade off against the various spending constituencies."

Excellent article!

This plays right into what I was referring to in arguing with Rabby over rates of illegitimacy and the role that liberal policies played in them.

He wanted to claim that since illegitimacy was higher, according to CDC figures in the Bible Belt, that that somehow meant there was no connection to liberal policies. Not at all and part of it has to do with the black population in many of the states of the "Bible belt". Your article argues effectively that this is indeed the fault of failed liberal social policies!

 

[D_A_R_T_H]

Excellent reading, common sense, and I think this will resonate with many of you.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704881304576094221050061598.html
"The welfare state has done to black Americans what slavery couldn't do, what Jim Crow couldn't do, what the harshest racism couldn't do," Mr. Williams says. "And that is to destroy the black family."

"I learned that you have to evaluate the effects of public policy as opposed to intentions."

"Today I doubt you could find any significant problem that blacks face that is caused by racial discrimination. The 70% illegitimacy rate is a devastating problem, but it doesn't have a damn thing to do with racism. The fact that in some areas black people are huddled in their homes at night, sometimes serving meals on the floor so they don't get hit by a stray bullet—that's not because the Klan is riding through the neighborhood."

And the best line in the entire article:
"We need a constitutional amendment that limits the amount of money the government can spend," he says. "Let's say 18% of GDP to start. The benefit of a spending limitation amendment is that you're going to force Congress to trade off against the various spending constituencies."

Excellent reading for an idiot, it was 300 years of slavery and 100 years of Jim Crow laws that built the welfare state for black communities. These communities have only truly been free for 40 years I might add.

 

[jasmin]

Look at the years indicated and the dramatic rise in single parent families of blacks and you will see this had nothing to do with history and slavery but everything to do with creating a race dependent on the government. The most dramatic rise in single parent black families came in the 1980s.

Or perhaps you could read some Carol Stack, who implies the nuclear family is just a white thing and that female run single parent families are just defining being african american. If your premise was correct, than you would expect blacks to be improving their conditions over time yet they aren't - the rates of single parent families, and the poverty rates directly connected to this status, are increasing.

There are ethnic differences in the prevalence of single-parent families. In 1999 the rate of single-parent families among black families was 56 percent; among Hispanic families, 32 percent; and among white families, 20 percent. Higher rates of black single-parent families result from higher rates of out-of-marriage adolescent childbearing within this group and higher divorce rates among black women.
http://social.jrank.org/pages/579/S...alence-Single-Parent-Families-in-America.html

In 1960, the proportion of black children living with a single parent was 20 percent. By 1970, that number had grown to 30 percent. The numbers for intact families slid throughout the 1970s. Black families started crumbling in the 1980s.

In 1980, more black children were living with a single parent than with two parents (43.9 percent versus 42.2 percent, respectively). Black single-mom families continued to mushroom, making them a stark contrast with most U.S. families where children lived with both mom and dad.

Throughout the 1980s, the inner city—and the black family—continued to unravel. Child poverty stayed close to 20 percent, hitting a high of 22.7 percent in 1993. Welfare dependency continued to rise, soaring from 2 million families in 1970 to 5 million by 1995. By 1990, 65 percent of all black children were being born to unmarried women.

What we've ended up with are these statistics:
http://datacenter.kidscount.org/data/acrossstates/Rankings.aspx?ind=107

 

[D_A_R_T_H]

Look at the years indicated and the dramatic rise in single parent families of blacks and you will see this had nothing to do with history and slavery but everything to do with creating a race dependent on the government. The most dramatic rise in single parent black families came in the 1980s.

Or perhaps you could read some Carol Stack, who implies the nuclear family is just a white thing and that female run single parent families are just defining being african american. If your premise was correct, than you would expect blacks to be improving their conditions over time yet they aren't - the rates of single parent families, and the poverty rates directly connected to this status, are increasing.

There are ethnic differences in the prevalence of single-parent families. In 1999 the rate of single-parent families among black families was 56 percent; among Hispanic families, 32 percent; and among white families, 20 percent. Higher rates of black single-parent families result from higher rates of out-of-marriage adolescent childbearing within this group and higher divorce rates among black women.
http://social.jrank.org/pages/579/S...alence-Single-Parent-Families-in-America.html

In 1960, the proportion of black children living with a single parent was 20 percent. By 1970, that number had grown to 30 percent. The numbers for intact families slid throughout the 1970s. Black families started crumbling in the 1980s.

In 1980, more black children were living with a single parent than with two parents (43.9 percent versus 42.2 percent, respectively). Black single-mom families continued to mushroom, making them a stark contrast with most U.S. families where children lived with both mom and dad.

Throughout the 1980s, the inner city—and the black family—continued to unravel. Child poverty stayed close to 20 percent, hitting a high of 22.7 percent in 1993. Welfare dependency continued to rise, soaring from 2 million families in 1970 to 5 million by 1995. By 1990, 65 percent of all black children were being born to unmarried women.

What we've ended up with are these statistics:
http://datacenter.kidscount.org/data/acrossstates/Rankings.aspx?ind=107

Single parent families are on the rise PERIOD and its not a race thing, but one of social economics. There are also more unmarried than married people for the first time and we've had 30 years of conservative dominance, what gives?

 

[Rush's Anal Boil]

Look at the years indicated and the dramatic rise in single parent families of blacks and you will see this had nothing to do with history and slavery but everything to do with creating a race dependent on the government. The most dramatic rise in single parent black families came in the 1980s.

Or perhaps you could read some Carol Stack, who implies the nuclear family is just a white thing and that female run single parent families are just defining being african american. If your premise was correct, than you would expect blacks to be improving their conditions over time yet they aren't - the rates of single parent families, and the poverty rates directly connected to this status, are increasing.

There are ethnic differences in the prevalence of single-parent families. In 1999 the rate of single-parent families among black families was 56 percent; among Hispanic families, 32 percent; and among white families, 20 percent. Higher rates of black single-parent families result from higher rates of out-of-marriage adolescent childbearing within this group and higher divorce rates among black women.
http://social.jrank.org/pages/579/S...alence-Single-Parent-Families-in-America.html

In 1960, the proportion of black children living with a single parent was 20 percent. By 1970, that number had grown to 30 percent. The numbers for intact families slid throughout the 1970s. Black families started crumbling in the 1980s.

In 1980, more black children were living with a single parent than with two parents (43.9 percent versus 42.2 percent, respectively). Black single-mom families continued to mushroom, making them a stark contrast with most U.S. families where children lived with both mom and dad.

Throughout the 1980s, the inner city—and the black family—continued to unravel. Child poverty stayed close to 20 percent, hitting a high of 22.7 percent in 1993. Welfare dependency continued to rise, soaring from 2 million families in 1970 to 5 million by 1995. By 1990, 65 percent of all black children were being born to unmarried women.

What we've ended up with are these statistics:
http://datacenter.kidscount.org/data/acrossstates/Rankings.aspx?ind=107

What a patronizing and condescending attitude on display by YOU and Walter Williams.

Why not look at what has happened to this country's economic base since the 70s.

Take a look at the widening gap between the rich and the poor, as well as the evisceration of employment in the central cities that affected the OVERALL population in the past 30 yrs.

The top-earning 20 percent of Americans – those making more than $100,000 each year – received 49.4 percent of all income generated in the U.S., compared with the 3.4 percent made by the bottom 20 percent of earners, those who fell below the poverty line, according to the new figures. That ratio of 14.5-to-1 was an increase from 13.6 in 2008 and nearly double a low of 7.69 in 1968.

At the top, the wealthiest 5 percent of Americans, who earn more than $180,000, added slightly to their annual incomes last year, the data show. Families at the $50,000 median level slipped lower.​

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/09/28/income-gap-widens-census-_n_741386.html


And social economic mobility has been falling for decades.


http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/10/21/business/main4535488.shtml?source=RSSattr=Business_4535488


Blacks were ALREADY at the very bottom and on the margins before this began in the mid-70s. Those on the margins were pushed even further into economic ruin due to CONSERVATIVE policies of closing factories and outsourcing, hostility towards affirmative action policies, war on drugs that overwhelming affected black males even though whites are more likely to be drug users, etc.


You get an "F" for such lazy scholarship to even stop at the notion that waving around a welfare check is all that blacks strive for.

 

[I Love America]

What a patronizing and condescending attitude on display by YOU and Walter Williams.

Why not look at what has happened to this country's economic base since the 70s.

Take a look at the widening gap between the rich and the poor, as well as the evisceration of employment in the central cities that affected the OVERALL population in the past 30 yrs.

The top-earning 20 percent of Americans – those making more than $100,000 each year – received 49.4 percent of all income generated in the U.S., compared with the 3.4 percent made by the bottom 20 percent of earners, those who fell below the poverty line, according to the new figures. That ratio of 14.5-to-1 was an increase from 13.6 in 2008 and nearly double a low of 7.69 in 1968.
​

At the top, the wealthiest 5 percent of Americans, who earn more than $180,000, added slightly to their annual incomes last year, the data show. Families at the $50,000 median level slipped lower.
​

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/09/28/income-gap-widens-census-_n_741386.html


And social economic mobility has been falling for decades.


http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/10/21/business/main4535488.shtml?source=RSSattr=Business_4535488


Blacks were ALREADY at the very bottom and on the margins before this began in the mid-70s. Those on the margins were pushed even further into economic ruin due to CONSERVATIVE policies of closing factories and outsourcing, hostility towards affirmative action policies, war on drugs that overwhelming affected black males even though whites are more likely to be drug users, etc.


You get an "F" for such lazy scholarship to even stop at the notion that waving around a welfare check is all that blacks strive for.

A welfare check is not what they strive for themselves. It is what you strive for them to become dependent on. How else can you get them to vote for your racist party?

BTW, you receive an F for explaining the high rate of single parent homes in the black community.

 

[MASSACHUSETTS!]

Single parent families are on the rise PERIOD and its not a race thing, but one of social economics. There are also more unmarried than married people for the first time and we've had 30 years of conservative dominance, what gives?

If you can't see that there is something strange happening in AA families where the illegitimacy rate is 70 - SEVENTY - percent, you are just in denial.

Black families were more intact when they had LESS rights than they do today.

Thanks to libtard policies, black families have been ripped apart. This is the BIGGEST SINGLE PROBLEM facing AAs in the US today.

 

[jasmin]

If you can't see that there is something strange happening in AA families where the illegitimacy rate is 70 - SEVENTY - percent, you are just in denial.

Black families were more intact when they had LESS rights than they do today.

Thanks to libtard policies, black families have been ripped apart. This is the BIGGEST SINGLE PROBLEM facing AAs in the US today.

Exactly. While NPM is correct that rates of single parenthood have increased across the board, they have exploded for blacks. And RAB, no one said they strive for a welfare check but welfare shows proof of good intentions with horrible consequences of families never breaking out of the welfare cycle. BTW, if you recall, I grew up very poor and the vast majority of my family are still in that state. My parents had the hutzpah to change their circumstances, to look at WHY people stayed poor and to avoid those mistakes. One thing they avoided was accepting government aid, no matter what. And they risked everything to move us out of a bad area to a different state. We were taught personal responsibility and that there were consequences for actions, and if you want a certain outcome, you work for it. If you screw up, you take responsibility.

There is something inherently wrong when 70% of black kids are born into single parent households, and this issue, not race, not slavery, not jim crow, is why they are so deeply poverty stricken. Some don't even have a family history connected to slavery. The acceptance of single parent families and explosion of this phenomenon explains some of the large gap between rich and poor. Those in the top income earning families in the nation are largely two income earning families while these in the lower end are single female run households.
There has been a glimmer of hope since about 2007 where the black community has tried to hold men to their family responsibilities but it is not even close to being there yet. By the way, this is from your messiah:

But if we are honest with ourselves, we'll admit that what too many fathers also are is missing - missing from too many lives and too many homes. They have abandoned their responsibilities, acting like boys instead of men. And the foundations of our families are weaker because of it. You and I know how true this is in the African-American community. We know that more than half of all black children live in single-parent households, a number that has doubled - doubled - since we were children. We know the statistics - that children who grow up without a father are five times more likely to live in poverty and commit crime; nine times more likely to drop out of schools and twenty times more likely to end up in prison. They are more likely to have behavioral problems, or run away from home, or become teenage parents themselves. And the foundations of our community are weaker because of it. But we also need families to raise our children. We need fathers to realize that responsibility does not end at conception. We need them to realize that what makes you a man is not the ability to have a child - it's the courage to raise one.

 

[I Love America]

What a patronizing and condescending attitude on display by YOU and Walter Williams.

Why not look at what has happened to this country's economic base since the 70s.

Take a look at the widening gap between the rich and the poor, as well as the evisceration of employment in the central cities that affected the OVERALL population in the past 30 yrs.

The top-earning 20 percent of Americans – those making more than $100,000 each year – received 49.4 percent of all income generated in the U.S., compared with the 3.4 percent made by the bottom 20 percent of earners, those who fell below the poverty line, according to the new figures. That ratio of 14.5-to-1 was an increase from 13.6 in 2008 and nearly double a low of 7.69 in 1968.
​

At the top, the wealthiest 5 percent of Americans, who earn more than $180,000, added slightly to their annual incomes last year, the data show. Families at the $50,000 median level slipped lower.
​

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/09/28/income-gap-widens-census-_n_741386.html


And social economic mobility has been falling for decades.


http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/10/21/business/main4535488.shtml?source=RSSattr=Business_4535488


Blacks were ALREADY at the very bottom and on the margins before this began in the mid-70s. Those on the margins were pushed even further into economic ruin due to CONSERVATIVE policies of closing factories and outsourcing, hostility towards affirmative action policies, war on drugs that overwhelming affected black males even though whites are more likely to be drug users, etc.


You get an "F" for such lazy scholarship to even stop at the notion that waving around a welfare check is all that blacks strive for.

Are you saying you know more than Walter Williams when it comes to growing up black during Jim Crow?

Seems to me he is a bit more credible than some sample jockey blowhard like you who comes to CP mouthing off yet knowing absolutely nothing.

But, please compare your credentials to the honorable Walter Williams. I am sure you have a PhD in Economics like he has. You have your own column that is published weekly and you have published book after book after book on Economics.

I am sure you can regale us with the trials and tribulations you experienced as a white man growing up AFTER Jim Crow in a racially segregated society.

Ready? GO!

 

[Rush's Anal Boil]

Are you saying you know more than Walter Williams when it comes to growing up black during Jim Crow?

Seems to me he is a bit more credible than some sample jockey blowhard like you who comes to CP mouthing off yet knowing absolutely nothing.

But, please compare your credentials to the honorable Walter Williams. I am sure you have a PhD in Economics like he has. You have your own column that is published weekly and you have published book after book after book on Economics.

I am sure you can regale us with the trials and tribulations you experienced as a white man growing up AFTER Jim Crow in a racially segregated society.

Ready? GO!

And Krugman is a Nobel Prize winning economist. Ae you willing to accept his economic prowess because of his recognition and publishings...yes or no?


Notice how Williams NEVER mention this fact that black males are 6 times more likely to be incarcerated over drugs even though they are LESS likely to use drugs than their white counterparts?

If the males arent available to raise families ( it only takes 15 minutes to fuck.....but in your case, 2 minutes to jizz off in your favorite sock)..but a lifetime to raise a family..and your racist criminal justice sees to it that they arent available to do that and the economic Darwinism that makes it virtually impossible for those who dont wind up in the clink.

"Our research shows that blacks comprise 62.7 percent and whites 36.7 percent of all drug offenders admitted to state prison, even though federal surveys and other data detailed in this report show clearly that this racial disparity bears scant relation to racial differences in drug offending. There are, for example, five times more white drug users than black. Relative to population, black men are admitted to state prison on drug charges at a rate that is 13.4 times greater than that of white men. In large part because of the extraordinary racial disparities in incarceration for drug offenses, blacks are incarcerated for all offenses at 8.2 times the rate of whites. One in every 20 black men over the age of 18 in the United States is in state or federal prison, compared to one in 180 white men."​

Source: Human Rights Watch, "Racial Disparities in the War on Drugs" (Washington, DC: Human Rights Watch, 2000).
http://www.hrw.org/legacy/reports/2000/usa/Rcedrg00.htm#P54_1086


I ask my black friends and associates about people like Walter Williams, and lets just say, they no use for him and those like him who never or rarely speak in front of a black audience what he says to conservative white audiences to help them absolve their roles in this..

But I guess YOU know better whom blacks should be voting for.....is that right?


But why aren't you discussing the 29% out of wedlock births amongst whites today? When it was 24% amongst blacks in the 1960's, Moynihan set off the clarion call of this problem. How did it get to 24% amongst blacks without all that great society welfare......hmmmmmm.

 

[Huggy Bear]

If you can't see that there is something strange happening in AA families where the illegitimacy rate is 70 - SEVENTY - percent, you are just in denial.

Black families were more intact when they had LESS rights than they do today.

Thanks to libtard policies, black families have been ripped apart. This is the BIGGEST SINGLE PROBLEM facing AAs in the US today.

so ur answer is 2 take away blacks rights?
how about enslave them like they were in the 1700 and 1800's?
afterall those families were FORCED apart!
either way, hispanic babies have the highest rates:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/13/health/13mothers.html
but hey those eurpoean babies do well even w a 60% illegitimacy rates wonder why? i know

 

[D_A_R_T_H]

so ur answer is 2 take away blacks rights?
how about enslave them like they were in the 1700 and 1800's?
afterall those families were FORCED apart!
either way, hispanic babies have the highest rates:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/13/health/13mothers.html
but hey those eurpoean babies do well even w a 60% illegitimacy rates wonder why? i know

Great point, funny thing is is that blacks are doing better than ever while there's still a long way to go to imply that conservative policies such as Jim Crow laws were for the benefit of blacks is simply racist. Also how about we make abortion illegal, which is another conservative cause, and see how many more single parent households there are.

 

[Conservative Independent Here]

"I ask my black friends and associates about people like Walter Williams,...." RAB post #12

That is funny....you talked to your black friends and associates about this....hahahaha.

Good for you. So essentially you managed to, in one sentence state that you 1. Have Black Friends (how libtard of you to be sure and verbalize this as you pontificate on the black plight) and 2. Have Black Associates (or in libtard parlance, equals)

Very, very funny that you are such a racist and don't even realize it.

 

[Rush's Anal Boil]

"I ask my black friends and associates about people like Walter Williams,...." RAB post #12

That is funny....you talked to your black friends and associates about this....hahahaha.

Good for you. So essentially you managed to, in one sentence state that you 1. Have Black Friends (how libtard of you to be sure and verbalize this as you pontificate on the black plight) and 2. Have Black Associates (or in libtard parlance, equals)

Very, very funny that you are such a racist and don't even realize it.

I know, you're just jealous. You're accustomed to talking about the black "problems" amongst your friends wearing white sheets. You know, since they are "those" people who live in other parts of town, and your experience is what you see on the tee vees. You dare not ever talk to "them" but like ILHAITI, Mass, and SPN....you know better what the issues are and whom they should be voting for. .

 

[Conservative Independent Here]

I know, you're just jealous. You're accustomed to talking about the black "problems" amongst your friends wearing white sheets. You know, since they are "those" people who live in other parts of town, and your experience is what you see on the tee vees. You dare not ever talk to "them" but like ILHAITI, Mass, and SPN....you know better what the issues are and whom they should be voting for. .

Just keep telling yourself that....man with so many black friends and "associates". You are so down.

 

[jasmin]

Yes, RAB, the rate of whites with out of wedlock pregnancies has also risen. However, not at the alarming rate of blacks. Even obama points this out specifically as a black issue. When a government supports and makes it easier for single moms by financially subsidizing them it increases this behavior. You can bluster all you want about different incarcerations rates and we could debate which came first, this or the fact they were raised in a single parent home, but you're goint to believe what you want to believe.

The facts are that government entitlements feeds dependence on the government. This is a great case study because there is data going back for generations and they can look at other causal factors and determine what each one contributes to the end result. This same dependency has been created with Medicare and Social Security and now, people couldn't live without it. Entitlement programs are not making people's lives better. Removing independence and self responsibility is not an improvement.

Williams statement here is important for people to learn:
"I learned that you have to evaluate the effects of public policy as opposed to intentions."

 

[Pale Horse]

I ask my black friends and associates about people like Walter Williams, and lets just say, they no use for him and those like him who never or rarely speak in front of a black audience what he says to conservative white audiences to help them absolve their roles in this..

I love this line. They probably didn't even know who WW is. You need to find yourself a better class of friends.