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Hi All - I’m a sometime lurker, first time poster on this forum. I notice there seems to be a bit of anxiety around the shape of GNE both presently and forecasting into the future. I wanted to add a quick note that I’m coming up on my first year anniversary of leaving GNE and taking on a new role at a different company. I can say without reservation that it was the right move.

I wanted to offer a few thoughts. I get paid more, the stock isn’t exploding, but it’s headed in a different direction than rog.vx (not that that Quarter Pounder with cheese deluxe meal I bought with my SSAR and RSU proceeds wasn’t very tasty, thanks Severin). I work with competent people in an atmosphere where collaboration flows naturally and backstabbing and self promotion above all else don’t seem to be at the top anyone’s agenda. And while we are a company in business to make money, we are seriously thoughtful in thinking about patients in much of what we do. A little advice Bill, you need a whole lot of coaching on how to sell those “putting the patient at the center of all we do” lines at NSM - they come across hilariously wooden.

Anyway, just wanted to say that everything is cyclical. GNE might not be top of the heap anymore. It may be conceiveable that it’s no longer among the leaders in the space.

Given that, dear reader, if you start looking around, I believe you may be pleasantly surprised.

I hope this reduces some of the stress you may be feeling.
 






anonymous said:
Hi All - I’m a sometime lurker, first time poster on this forum. I notice there seems to be a bit of anxiety around the shape of GNE both presently and forecasting into the future. I wanted to add a quick note that I’m coming up on my first year anniversary of leaving GNE and taking on a new role at a different company. I can say without reservation that it was the right move.

I wanted to offer a few thoughts. I get paid more, the stock isn’t exploding, but it’s headed in a different direction than rog.vx (not that that Quarter Pounder with cheese deluxe meal I bought with my SSAR and RSU proceeds wasn’t very tasty, thanks Severin). I work with competent people in an atmosphere where collaboration flows naturally and backstabbing and self promotion above all else don’t seem to be at the top anyone’s agenda. And while we are a company in business to make money, we are seriously thoughtful in thinking about patients in much of what we do. A little advice Bill, you need a whole lot of coaching on how to sell those “putting the patient at the center of all we do” lines at NSM - they come across hilariously wooden.

Anyway, just wanted to say that everything is cyclical. GNE might not be top of the heap anymore. It may be conceiveable that it’s no longer among the leaders in the space.

Given that, dear reader, if you start looking around, I believe you may be pleasantly surprised.

I hope this reduces some of the stress you may be feeling.
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Totally agree and well-said. I left the company several months ago after a long career at GNE and have found a very similar experience as the above poster. If you're in a toxic/uncertain environment make a change. You'll be glad you did.
 






i agree. Different experience: I was laid off years ago. I loved working for Roche/ Genentech. I was hurt. Took me few years to get that “ level “of career back, that salary and a good benefit package. But I did. I am extremely happy and enjoy what I do.

Biggest lesson is I am not afraid anymore of getting laid off. And that’s a great relief.

The industry is tough and getting tougher. Good luck all.
 






Good post, I was laid-off and it has turned out to be a good thing. I had no idea of how it would turn out but I also got more money and the people I work with are really concerned about the employees. I know it's all about making money but, I feel better than I have felt in years. I hate to see Genentech go down. If you've been there awhile, you may not know how bad it is until you leave and, I'm not sure now if it was worth staying.
 
























I’m happy you’re happy. I love so many people at Genentech. But there are bad people that have been allowed to create a culture in some areas that is toxic. It’s not one area.
 






anonymous said:
Funny how all these posts are from people fired or that no longer work here.

All companies have issues and the ones here aren’t bad at all. Love it here.
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No. There’s nothing funny about it. That is the point, genius.These are just perspectives that are being shared with a benefit of helping people who are contemplating leaving. If you love it there, great, nobody wants to stop you. Yours is the sort of curt, snippy attitude which makes me glad I’m looking around ;)
 






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No. There’s nothing funny about it. That is the point, genius.These are just perspectives that are being shared with a benefit of helping people who are contemplating leaving. If you love it there, great, nobody wants to stop you. Yours is the sort of curt, snippy attitude which makes me glad I’m looking around ;)
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Couldn’t agree more. Those with the holier than thou attitude (the minions of Club DNA and “look at me, I have a gown on for awards”) have further ruined what was once a destination work environment
 






I’ve been gone awhile and have experience with 3 different companies post Genentech. All companies have a toxic component. Your first line manager is most important and its culture second in my opinion. My few stops have taught me a lot. Yes I make more money, many companies talk about patients but it just felt more genuine at Genentech to me, and I would come back to Genentech. I’ve been in the industry over 20 years and I prefer Genentech’s issues over other companies. It could be I haven’t found the right fit or I’m nostalgic. There is life after but realize all companies have issues.
 






anonymous said:
I’ve been gone awhile and have experience with 3 different companies post Genentech. All companies have a toxic component. Your first line manager is most important and its culture second in my opinion. My few stops have taught me a lot. Yes I make more money, many companies talk about patients but it just felt more genuine at Genentech to me, and I would come back to Genentech. I’ve been in the industry over 20 years and I prefer Genentech’s issues over other companies. It could be I haven’t found the right fit or I’m nostalgic. There is life after but realize all companies have issues.
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Sounds like an Oncology Hopscotch Player here
 






I'm dumbfounded by this myth that GNE is this amazing place that will be difficult to leave. It's just a job folks. Plenty of jobs out there, thousands of people have come and gone from GNE and it's all very routine.

After over a decade the pool tables, gym, concerts give me ZERO satisfaction. All these so called perks do not compensate for the bloat, domain building crap that got us into this mess. The cafes do not compensate for the fact that the very leadership that allows toxic behavior thrive and created this bloat for their own selfish purposes are the same leaders that are telling us highly skilled employees we need to work better with each other.

I want to do innovative and collaborative work. Unfortunately the home office has become over 60% toxic interactions, hunger games, lies, and ... the domain building continues. change for the sake of change by people who do not know why they are making the changes they are making.

I had hoped smarter people would make decisions that make sense but all I am seeing is a big shuffle, the best leaving and the worst hanging on for dear life.


anonymous said:
Hi All - I’m a sometime lurker, first time poster on this forum. I notice there seems to be a bit of anxiety around the shape of GNE both presently and forecasting into the future. I wanted to add a quick note that I’m coming up on my first year anniversary of leaving GNE and taking on a new role at a different company. I can say without reservation that it was the right move.

I wanted to offer a few thoughts. I get paid more, the stock isn’t exploding, but it’s headed in a different direction than rog.vx (not that that Quarter Pounder with cheese deluxe meal I bought with my SSAR and RSU proceeds wasn’t very tasty, thanks Severin). I work with competent people in an atmosphere where collaboration flows naturally and backstabbing and self promotion above all else don’t seem to be at the top anyone’s agenda. And while we are a company in business to make money, we are seriously thoughtful in thinking about patients in much of what we do. A little advice Bill, you need a whole lot of coaching on how to sell those “putting the patient at the center of all we do” lines at NSM - they come across hilariously wooden.

Anyway, just wanted to say that everything is cyclical. GNE might not be top of the heap anymore. It may be conceiveable that it’s no longer among the leaders in the space.

Given that, dear reader, if you start looking around, I believe you may be pleasantly surprised.

I hope this reduces some of the stress you may be feeling.
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anonymous said:
I’ve been gone awhile and have experience with 3 different companies post Genentech. All companies have a toxic component. Your first line manager is most important and its culture second in my opinion. My few stops have taught me a lot. Yes I make more money, many companies talk about patients but it just felt more genuine at Genentech to me, and I would come back to Genentech. I’ve been in the industry over 20 years and I prefer Genentech’s issues over other companies. It could be I haven’t found the right fit or I’m nostalgic. There is life after but realize all companies have issues.
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The issue with this post is "gone for a while". I've been here a while and this place has changed and, not for the better. It is a horrible place to be now. It's not a open environment like it use to be where you could have fun and speak to people. You say anything and it's recorded and taken negatively, you'll see it on your next review. You have to agree with everything or you are bad. Mgmt has become the most toxic. People are put in position for best kiss up's not for skills, in all franchises. I'm in the SE and been here 10+ yrs and now I'm looking to leave. I hate to see it go bad so fast but, it's over.
 






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