The Conscious Planning of a Superspreader Event

anonymous

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I was taught to pay more attention to what individuals do vs. what they say. In my tenure at Insmed, overall the company has done a good job walking the walk, but I think as it pertains to moving forward with COVID, there are issues.

If there was a way to provide this feedback internally, I would. But I know in our environment it would be held against me in one way or another.

The main issue I want to raise is that continuing plans for an off-site national meeting is irresponsible as we try to keep pandemic numbers low. Will, if you really believe in the team and the safety of our patients and customers, pull the plug. If you really care about our young and unvaccinated children, please pull the plug.

For your consideration:

-The pandemic is not over, and the new Delta variant is extremely contagious.

-A national meeting by definition will not allow for adequate social distances.

-Food at these events is typically buffet. These are a conduit for disease in a good year.

-Vaccines: the vaccine can stop the virus from killing us, but there is clear evidence that we can still get COVID to bring home to our families, and customers. Additionally, those who do not want to take a vaccine that has not been fully vetted by the FDA and that demonstrates increasing, but admittedly rare, side effects should not feel forced in our decision. Simply saying it’s not required, then separating individuals into groups based on vaccine status is coercive.

-A national meeting will bring individuals from every state to one location. A lot of these individuals spend their days in pulmonary and infectious disease offices which is exactly where the front line of COVID is fought. Is Insmed really going to make a conscious choice to bring together all of these individuals from areas with varying degrees of infectious activity into one space with close quarters? A place where we are encouraged to raise our voices thus increasing the chances of transmission. For what? So you can slap each other on the back saying “great meeting” while sending us home to our family and communities? Do you really care so little for your own families and communities?

-This meeting can be held effectively and safely in a virtual environment. If Insmed causes one person to get sick by insisting on a live meeting is it worth it? What if someone gets sick and possibly dies either for attending, or as a consequence of someone else getting COVID at the Insmed meeting? Dismiss as dramatic at your own risk, but moving forward means that’s an outcome risk you are willing to gamble on.

-If this meeting does still occur, is Insmed willing to do the right thing and insist all attendees quarantine appropriately after meeting? Will Insmed allow me to expense my personal quarantine at a hotel so I don’t risk infecting my children?

Please look at the press that Biogen received at the beginning of the pandemic when their meeting brought COVID across the country, the world really. Given our current and future focus in pulmonary diseases, do we really want that press? Below is an article on the impact of their meeting. Replace Biogen with Insmed as you read.

1 Year Later: The ‘Superspreader' Conference That Sparked Boston's COVID Outbreak
 
























I don't personally mind going to the meeting, but I would rather not. I'll find a way to avoid going to offices after the meeting for at least a week and am trying to schedule appointments where I can do virtual if needed. Even if its just for optics, I think we should cancel.
 


















Manager here. You can’t stay home in your jammies forever little lib snowflake. Time to take an shower, leave your safe space and get back to work. Loser.

if you are a manager you suck and are behind goal. Maybe it’s your communication skills and lack of empathy. Nothing on this thread says anything about field work and only focuses on the clear issue and fact that large, close quarter gatherings are dangerous in this environment.

Management 101: Understand before you act.
 






if you are a manager you suck and are behind goal. Maybe it’s your communication skills and lack of empathy. Nothing on this thread says anything about field work and only focuses on the clear issue and fact that large, close quarter gatherings are dangerous in this environment.

Management 101: Understand before you act.


It’s snowflake libs like you that ruin team morale. I would force you off my winning team so quick you would run back to your safe space crying for your mommy.
 






It’s snowflake libs like you that ruin team morale. I would force you off my winning team so quick you would run back to your safe space crying for your mommy.

Using the same two tired and overused insults in two separate posts because you lack imagination is a clear indication that you are indeed a pharmaceutical manager. I bow to your greatness. Some might think you a coward for reducing the safety of your team to political terms, but I know you just do not have the intelligence to know better so I just feel sorry for you.

You and I both know you do not have a winning team. They may be great people (most people here are incredible), might be great salespeople (lot of that around), but you are not winning. Partly because of Covid, but mostly because you do not inspire them.

It seems corporate leadership agrees with the true intent of this post so there is no reason to continue this dialogue. I look forward to our upcoming meeting and will continue to do my job out here.
 












I was taught to pay more attention to what individuals do vs. what they say. In my tenure at Insmed, overall the company has done a good job walking the walk, but I think as it pertains to moving forward with COVID, there are issues.

If there was a way to provide this feedback internally, I would. But I know in our environment it would be held against me in one way or another.

The main issue I want to raise is that continuing plans for an off-site national meeting is irresponsible as we try to keep pandemic numbers low. Will, if you really believe in the team and the safety of our patients and customers, pull the plug. If you really care about our young and unvaccinated children, please pull the plug.

For your consideration:

-The pandemic is not over, and the new Delta variant is extremely contagious.

-A national meeting by definition will not allow for adequate social distances.

-Food at these events is typically buffet. These are a conduit for disease in a good year.

-Vaccines: the vaccine can stop the virus from killing us, but there is clear evidence that we can still get COVID to bring home to our families, and customers. Additionally, those who do not want to take a vaccine that has not been fully vetted by the FDA and that demonstrates increasing, but admittedly rare, side effects should not feel forced in our decision. Simply saying it’s not required, then separating individuals into groups based on vaccine status is coercive.

-A national meeting will bring individuals from every state to one location. A lot of these individuals spend their days in pulmonary and infectious disease offices which is exactly where the front line of COVID is fought. Is Insmed really going to make a conscious choice to bring together all of these individuals from areas with varying degrees of infectious activity into one space with close quarters? A place where we are encouraged to raise our voices thus increasing the chances of transmission. For what? So you can slap each other on the back saying “great meeting” while sending us home to our family and communities? Do you really care so little for your own families and communities?

-This meeting can be held effectively and safely in a virtual environment. If Insmed causes one person to get sick by insisting on a live meeting is it worth it? What if someone gets sick and possibly dies either for attending, or as a consequence of someone else getting COVID at the Insmed meeting? Dismiss as dramatic at your own risk, but moving forward means that’s an outcome risk you are willing to gamble on.

-If this meeting does still occur, is Insmed willing to do the right thing and insist all attendees quarantine appropriately after meeting? Will Insmed allow me to expense my personal quarantine at a hotel so I don’t risk infecting my children?

Please look at the press that Biogen received at the beginning of the pandemic when their meeting brought COVID across the country, the world really. Given our current and future focus in pulmonary diseases, do we really want that press? Below is an article on the impact of their meeting. Replace Biogen with Insmed as you read.

1 Year Later: The ‘Superspreader' Conference That Sparked Boston's COVID Outbreak


Pretty long-winded way of saying you are to too lazy and or afraid to attend. Typical lib rep rhetoric - hiding behind Covid at every turn.
 






This is a crazy thread. OP is definitely long winded, but points are accurate. It’s clear at this point an in-person meeting was a bad idea and corporate pulled the plug. We take risks every day to do our job and just because some didn’t want to add more risk, or put others at risk it’s an attack as lazy or a lib snowflake? If these are really manager responses you guys are unfit and maybe the culture here isn’t what is advertised.
 












I was taught to pay more attention to what individuals do vs. what they say. In my tenure at Insmed, overall the company has done a good job walking the walk, but I think as it pertains to moving forward with COVID, there are issues.

If there was a way to provide this feedback internally, I would. But I know in our environment it would be held against me in one way or another.

The main issue I want to raise is that continuing plans for an off-site national meeting is irresponsible as we try to keep pandemic numbers low. Will, if you really believe in the team and the safety of our patients and customers, pull the plug. If you really care about our young and unvaccinated children, please pull the plug.

For your consideration:

-The pandemic is not over, and the new Delta variant is extremely contagious.

-A national meeting by definition will not allow for adequate social distances.

-Food at these events is typically buffet. These are a conduit for disease in a good year.

-Vaccines: the vaccine can stop the virus from killing us, but there is clear evidence that we can still get COVID to bring home to our families, and customers. Additionally, those who do not want to take a vaccine that has not been fully vetted by the FDA and that demonstrates increasing, but admittedly rare, side effects should not feel forced in our decision. Simply saying it’s not required, then separating individuals into groups based on vaccine status is coercive.

-A national meeting will bring individuals from every state to one location. A lot of these individuals spend their days in pulmonary and infectious disease offices which is exactly where the front line of COVID is fought. Is Insmed really going to make a conscious choice to bring together all of these individuals from areas with varying degrees of infectious activity into one space with close quarters? A place where we are encouraged to raise our voices thus increasing the chances of transmission. For what? So you can slap each other on the back saying “great meeting” while sending us home to our family and communities? Do you really care so little for your own families and communities?

-This meeting can be held effectively and safely in a virtual environment. If Insmed causes one person to get sick by insisting on a live meeting is it worth it? What if someone gets sick and possibly dies either for attending, or as a consequence of someone else getting COVID at the Insmed meeting? Dismiss as dramatic at your own risk, but moving forward means that’s an outcome risk you are willing to gamble on.

-If this meeting does still occur, is Insmed willing to do the right thing and insist all attendees quarantine appropriately after meeting? Will Insmed allow me to expense my personal quarantine at a hotel so I don’t risk infecting my children?

Please look at the press that Biogen received at the beginning of the pandemic when their meeting brought COVID across the country, the world really. Given our current and future focus in pulmonary diseases, do we really want that press? Below is an article on the impact of their meeting. Replace Biogen with Insmed as you read.

1 Year Later: The ‘Superspreader' Conference That Sparked Boston's COVID Outbreak
Probably the most this person worked in the last 18 months, hope you didn’t hurt yourself. How about this, “Hey, how bout we postpone the meeting a few months to see where we’re at? Now is not a great time.”
 






I was taught to pay more attention to what individuals do vs. what they say. In my tenure at Insmed, overall the company has done a good job walking the walk, but I think as it pertains to moving forward with COVID, there are issues.

If there was a way to provide this feedback internally, I would. But I know in our environment it would be held against me in one way or another.

The main issue I want to raise is that continuing plans for an off-site national meeting is irresponsible as we try to keep pandemic numbers low. Will, if you really believe in the team and the safety of our patients and customers, pull the plug. If you really care about our young and unvaccinated children, please pull the plug.

For your consideration:

-The pandemic is not over, and the new Delta variant is extremely contagious.

-A national meeting by definition will not allow for adequate social distances.

-Food at these events is typically buffet. These are a conduit for disease in a good year.

-Vaccines: the vaccine can stop the virus from killing us, but there is clear evidence that we can still get COVID to bring home to our families, and customers. Additionally, those who do not want to take a vaccine that has not been fully vetted by the FDA and that demonstrates increasing, but admittedly rare, side effects should not feel forced in our decision. Simply saying it’s not required, then separating individuals into groups based on vaccine status is coercive.

-A national meeting will bring individuals from every state to one location. A lot of these individuals spend their days in pulmonary and infectious disease offices which is exactly where the front line of COVID is fought. Is Insmed really going to make a conscious choice to bring together all of these individuals from areas with varying degrees of infectious activity into one space with close quarters? A place where we are encouraged to raise our voices thus increasing the chances of transmission. For what? So you can slap each other on the back saying “great meeting” while sending us home to our family and communities? Do you really care so little for your own families and communities?

-This meeting can be held effectively and safely in a virtual environment. If Insmed causes one person to get sick by insisting on a live meeting is it worth it? What if someone gets sick and possibly dies either for attending, or as a consequence of someone else getting COVID at the Insmed meeting? Dismiss as dramatic at your own risk, but moving forward means that’s an outcome risk you are willing to gamble on.

-If this meeting does still occur, is Insmed willing to do the right thing and insist all attendees quarantine appropriately after meeting? Will Insmed allow me to expense my personal quarantine at a hotel so I don’t risk infecting my children?

Please look at the press that Biogen received at the beginning of the pandemic when their meeting brought COVID across the country, the world really. Given our current and future focus in pulmonary diseases, do we really want that press? Below is an article on the impact of their meeting. Replace Biogen with Insmed as you read.

1 Year Later: The ‘Superspreader' Conference That Sparked Boston's COVID Outbreak
 






This is the a very valid point!

-Vaccines: the vaccine can stop the virus from killing us, but there is clear evidence that we can still get COVID to bring home to our families, and customers. Additionally, those who do not want to take a vaccine that has not been fully vetted by the FDA and that demonstrates increasing, but admittedly rare, side effects should not feel forced in our decision. Simply saying it’s not required, then separating individuals into groups based on vaccine status is coercive.
 






This is the a very valid point!

-Vaccines: the vaccine can stop the virus from killing us, but there is clear evidence that we can still get COVID to bring home to our families, and customers. Additionally, those who do not want to take a vaccine that has not been fully vetted by the FDA and that demonstrates increasing, but admittedly rare, side effects should not feel forced in our decision. Simply saying it’s not required, then separating individuals into groups based on vaccine status is coercive.

The only thing valid about this quote is "there is clear evidence that we can still get COVID to bring home to our families, and customers". This "vaccine" is nonsense!! wake up people, you can still contract Covid and transmit covid...so what is the point of taking something that doesn't work?!?! And not booster for some bullsh!t that doesn't work, and possibly more. People need to stop and look around at what is really happening!
 






Will getting ready to mandate vaccine.

Yeah, and if it wasn't bad enough that people in Clinical Operations (and other functions) are running for the door! There is no logic being applied to a jab mandate, it's all politics and playing into the socialist game that will hopefully catch covid and die! As Will put it in the last townhall, he wants us to be part of the "New World Order".