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If you are a Shareholder, demand more. If you are an analyst, ask questions about this, and if you are a potential investor, look elsewhere or expect massive loss.

You are being sold a Bill of goods. A good old fashion conn job. DSO is being touted on news outlets and social media platforms as the savior for Bayer. The reality is in the US and specifically in the Pharma segment, there is NO DSO, and the old cronies that have been in Pharma their entire careers, are forcing top-down decisions that make no sense and destroy culture. The very same leaders that have failed miserably at launching one of Bayer’s cornerstone products, Kerendia, are now attempting a hail Mary to elevate some internal metric, share of voice, in an attempt to salvage the disaster they created. There is absolutely no benefit to the customer with this in fact this will only lead to more confusion in the marketplace and another reason for prescribers to turn from Bayer. Moreover, this will lead to enormous dissatisfaction with the people who handle the customers in the non Kerendia product lines, and major decline in sales, as well as the culture at Bayer for those who stay.

At a time when Bayer needs to maximize revenue, these decisions will decimate sales with all Pharma products, not just Kerendia, and Bayer will lose the incredible talent that has salvaged what revenue we still produce. These decisions have created a massive distraction for all and a toxic culture.

If you are a Shareholder, demand more. If you are an analyst, ask questions about this, and if you are a potential investor, look elsewhere or expect massive loss.
 






I second this sentiment. What is infuriating about DSO is that it was supposed to clean house at higher levels to remove bureaucracy. However, what happened, a traditional ground level force cut and promotion of the poor leadership. Why is the Head of Pharma (S.O.) still here, why is the CMO (M.D.) still here, why is the head of customer engagement (PB) the person who blundered Kerendia's launch? They all got promoted on the backs of the actual working force even thought making disastrous decisions for the company.
 






Share of voice is an ancient concept. It may have worked in the 90s, but it is also the reason that health systems, large practices, and small ones all have reduced or eliminated representative access. Big Pharma multiplied the number of reps going into offices to increase share of voice and it failed. It ruined the entire marketplace, even for those representatives that had deep knowledge of disease state and subject matter. Looks like these old timers are pulling out old tricks from old bags. SMH
 






This thread has been the truest thread on CP in a long time. This DSO model is an absolute crock of crap and has zero impact on our patients and prescribers. It has cultivated bureaucratic behaviors and has fluffed the upper leadership team’s wallet. In the end the joke will be on Bayer who continues to decline. You can co time to cut the field but in the end that’s the only team that will bring in the revenue. It’s possible since our fearless marketing leader Nicole shared at the most recent meeting 65% of all sales for NUB are coming from digital so why have a field team? That also means why have any support teams or leaders. So in the end if we co time to sink this ship a title will no longer matter or be relevant because we all will be served our pink slip.

I tbink they need to stop with this crap and being back the model we had before. We had process and strategy.. DSO has none of this. We look like amateur hour and it’s really bad.

we are the laughing stock of this industry now. Such a shame
 






You all are simply means to an end. When you pin Bayer leaders down, AVPs and above, they will admit they are counting on organic attrition to bring in younger, lower compensated field personnel. They could not care less about the long time, tenured people who helped build Bayer and the brand. What have you done for me lately is one of the LIFE values Bayer embraces. You will move on, and they will celebrate your departure. It’s the Bayer culture now, embrace it, or fuck off!
 






You say that but financially whether you want to hear it or not, we are ruined and may not ever recover. So whether people leave on their own which is likely the case for any intelligent person employed here or ride it out to see what happens neither or is may have a choice. I see them selling off US Pharma as it’s the only profitable piece that they can leverage to enhance the company. If that’s the case I’m sure we all will get the boot but nonetheless, I just tendered my resignation and could not be more happy with my decision now that I’m fully vested!
 






If you are a Shareholder, demand more. If you are an analyst, ask questions about this, and if you are a potential investor, look elsewhere or expect massive loss.

You are being sold a Bill of goods. A good old fashion conn job. DSO is being touted on news outlets and social media platforms as the savior for Bayer. The reality is in the US and specifically in the Pharma segment, there is NO DSO, and the old cronies that have been in Pharma their entire careers, are forcing top-down decisions that make no sense and destroy culture. The very same leaders that have failed miserably at launching one of Bayer’s cornerstone products, Kerendia, are now attempting a hail Mary to elevate some internal metric, share of voice, in an attempt to salvage the disaster they created. There is absolutely no benefit to the customer with this in fact this will only lead to more confusion in the marketplace and another reason for prescribers to turn from Bayer. Moreover, this will lead to enormous dissatisfaction with the people who handle the customers in the non Kerendia product lines, and major decline in sales, as well as the culture at Bayer for those who stay.

At a time when Bayer needs to maximize revenue, these decisions will decimate sales with all Pharma products, not just Kerendia, and Bayer will lose the incredible talent that has salvaged what revenue we still produce. These decisions have created a massive distraction for all and a toxic culture.

If you are a Shareholder, demand more. If you are an analyst, ask questions about this, and if you are a potential investor, look elsewhere or expect massive loss.
Im an investigative journalist for a reputable news organization focusing on healthcare/finance. Please provide specific examples and anything found here on this board will be considered “those close to the situation” in my articles. Thanks. .
 






Im an investigative journalist for a reputable news organization focusing on healthcare/finance. Please provide specific examples and anything found here on this board will be considered “those close to the situation” in my articles. Thanks. .
Bob thanks for chiming in. None of what is being shared in this thread is false. All responses are accurate along with all the other threads currently for Bayer. So I suggest you read through all of them as well because this place has been nothing short of a shit show. There are a lot of documents captured by former and current employees that outline substantial corruption collusion and non compliant behaviors that Bayer continues to do. I think you will have a lot to share in your articles about Bayer US Pharma in the not to distant future.
If you provide your email address to this thread I am sure people will reach out privately to share examples.
 






A lot of people see a bright future here, Bob don’t let a few malcontents try to fool you. DSO is the real deal that is driving the bus forward, get on or be run over, it’s your choice.
 






Ask one of the select few who are running this customer engagement strategy, to explain why they feel the need to distract uber talented specialists from their area of excellence, into areas totally foreign, and expect those people to increase overall impact? Any argument for a special forces style salesforce capable of striking with precision regardless the market or sector, is severely muted by those very same people your asking to take that role’s total discontent with being voluntold to get on the bus, or be left behind.

They will have no coherent reason behind this strategy except that they came up with it. They are so old and outdated that they think thats actually enough to make everyone else believe this will work. Because they say it wil? Any proof or precedent? No comparing apples with oranges either!!
 






A lot of people see a bright future here, Bob don’t let a few malcontents try to fool you. DSO is the real deal that is driving the bus forward, get on or be run over, it’s your choice.
So tell me, what metrics are you using to gauge a successful “bus ride forward”? Have you seen the stock price?…..it just flops around like a dead fish. What is the timeline for success and HOW do you measure a bright future exactly for everyone invested in Bayer??!! Hoping it turns around but not seeing it at all.
 






So tell me, what metrics are you using to gauge a successful “bus ride forward”? Have you seen the stock price?…..it just flops around like a dead fish. What is the timeline for success and HOW do you measure a bright future exactly for everyone invested in Bayer??!! Hoping it turns around but not seeing it at all.
Could not have said that any better. Lots of AGM tolls on here who were promoted and continue to drink the Koolaid only because they cannot seem to find any competent people outside of Bayer to fill their endless vacancies. Yeah real bright - Kee fooling yourself into thinking this place will get better. News flash stock prices have been low since Nov 2023, we made only 32% of our annual bonus and the prior yea nothing. Our LTI stocks tanked and I lost 60K in one year. Super bright. This place continues to de line, everyone wants to leave, morale is an all time low, you have 3 more waves of layoffs pushing us through to 2025 so bring that we cannot even get anyone to fill all these vacancies it’s a total and utter shit show. Bill Andeesen has ruined this place
 






Bayer is astoundingly mismanaged at multiple levels with no end in sight. There is infighting across HQ teams and management who are directionless and unmotivated. Investments are based on behind the scenes conversation within the boys club. We have no real leadership that I could point to. People who are completely out of touch with how the company actually functions are being given the opportunity to design whole segments of the organization. It’s a mess on a level I’ve never experienced in my 25 years in this industry.
 






Now they are playing games with WHC numbers again. Q1 quota attainment and rankings are being "adjusted"? So does that mean we will be getting a check for the last fuzzy math session? What about 2023, was that jacked up too? That 4th qtr fire drill and Pinnacle Award winners announcements had lots of people scratching their heads saying how did that happen. We sell the product directly, this really shouldn't be that hard.
 






Now they are playing games with WHC numbers again. Q1 quota attainment and rankings are being "adjusted"? So does that mean we will be getting a check for the last fuzzy math session? What about 2023, was that jacked up too? That 4th qtr fire drill and Pinnacle Award winners announcements had lots of people scratching their heads saying how did that happen. We sell the product directly, this really shouldn't be that hard.
Not very different in Oncology. They lay off 12 of the manager a s the top 3 winners for Pinnacle were ones no longe there. So what do these stupid people do they give a Pinnacle award to one of the 3 remaining AGMs who wins a trip and money for work they did not deserve or win. Then that jackass AGM goes on Libked in and thanks their entire team and call them winners all the while th true winners - note who were not recognized or paid for their efforts- get ignored. It’s so gross this place sucks yay every layer, BU and team, it’s truly never been this bad in any other company J have worked for in this industry. Bayer should be ashamed of how they have and continue to handle themselves.
 






Hi there, I'm a journalist of a business newspaper and covering Bayer. Have been following your threads here for a while and find it really interesting - but would need more specific information to cover these topics. Feel free to reach out to me via Threema: YCAJJH3N.
 






Hi there, I'm a journalist of a business newspaper and covering Bayer. Have been following your threads here for a while and find it really interesting - but would need more specific information to cover these topics. Feel free to reach out to me via Threema: YCAJJH3N.
I’ve been done so dirty by this organization and former supervisors I’m happy to share with you the corruption here. I’ll add the app and be in touch. Happy to spill all the beans now that j am no longer employees by this shit show
 






I’ve been done so dirty by this organization and former supervisors I’m happy to share with you the corruption here. I’ll add the app and be in touch. Happy to spill all the beans now that j am no longer employees by this shit show
Didn't hear from you until now. Feel free to reach out, would be great. If you prefer another app/way to contact, just let me know.