RMs and DMs Fire Who They Want

[Anonymous]

I am so tired of hearing people talk about how hard it is to terminate a rep. It is easy if you know what you are doing. There is not one rep working for Abbott that has not done at least one thing worthy of being "fired." Managers just have to decide they want a rep gone. Finding time stamp irregularities, signature falsifications, sample disbursement errors (don't act like you enter your sample inventories with what you really have on hand), expense report falsifications (estimating your personal mileage/business mileage is falsification btw), or any number of trumped up performance metrics is very easy. As soon as a manager has any cause to put a rep on a PIP they can and will make life an absolute hell to the point it is impossible to adhere to the terms of the PIP. Most reps will just resign at this point making life better for the management.

The issue is whether or not the RM/DM has decided they want nothing more to do with you. The criteria used to fire one rep will not be fairly applied to a different rep that is "towing the company line" or "flying under the radar." I was a manager in Texas and watched great rep after great rep either be fired, transfer out of Primary Care, or have their lives made miserable by management simply because they dared to speak their minds or , heaven forbid, think for themselves. Take it from someone on the inside of RM/DM meetings and conference calls, you as a reps are berated frequently. Very sensitive information is discussed with no regard to privacy. Many reps were discussed as if they were cattle or indentured servants.

Not all managers are like the ones described above. Many of them are wonderful managers and people but nice guys usually finish last in this company. The bigger of a jerk you are, the more people back down. The last RM I worked for was a notorious ball-buster to anyone not making All-Star (yes, this means 90% of his reps were "underperforming").

I am happy to have moved on and have some great friends left at Abbott but please do not think a manager can't come after you. To Abbott, you are a means to an end and they believe you are all replaceable no matter how well you perform during field travel or how many All-Stars you have made in the past. Watch your backs.

 

[Anonymous]

I have to agree as well. The Texas PC Team is run by someone who manipulates how you should feel and if you dont agree and yes sir everything then you might as well be gone. Your life will be a living hell and your reps will be made to suffer as well. Nothing will get in his way of winning. You should see how he talked about fellow RM's. HR will turn a blind eye bc he has performance. Mgmt by fear, by performance nonetheless.

 

[Anonymous]

I am so tired of hearing people talk about how hard it is to terminate a rep. It is easy if you know what you are doing. There is not one rep working for Abbott that has not done at least one thing worthy of being "fired." Managers just have to decide they want a rep gone. Finding time stamp irregularities, signature falsifications, sample disbursement errors (don't act like you enter your sample inventories with what you really have on hand), expense report falsifications (estimating your personal mileage/business mileage is falsification btw), or any number of trumped up performance metrics is very easy. As soon as a manager has any cause to put a rep on a PIP they can and will make life an absolute hell to the point it is impossible to adhere to the terms of the PIP. Most reps will just resign at this point making life better for the management.

The issue is whether or not the RM/DM has decided they want nothing more to do with you. The criteria used to fire one rep will not be fairly applied to a different rep that is "towing the company line" or "flying under the radar." I was a manager in Texas and watched great rep after great rep either be fired, transfer out of Primary Care, or have their lives made miserable by management simply because they dared to speak their minds or , heaven forbid, think for themselves. Take it from someone on the inside of RM/DM meetings and conference calls, you as a reps are berated frequently. Very sensitive information is discussed with no regard to privacy. Many reps were discussed as if they were cattle or indentured servants.

Not all managers are like the ones described above. Many of them are wonderful managers and people but nice guys usually finish last in this company. The bigger of a jerk you are, the more people back down. The last RM I worked for was a notorious ball-buster to anyone not making All-Star (yes, this means 90% of his reps were "underperforming").

I am happy to have moved on and have some great friends left at Abbott but please do not think a manager can't come after you. To Abbott, you are a means to an end and they believe you are all replaceable no matter how well you perform during field travel or how many All-Stars you have made in the past. Watch your backs.

Watch your back? Didn't you just finish explaining what one does won't protect you from someone who's decided to go after you? The only thing we can do is go out every day and try to do our jobs. Life is too short to kill yourself worrying over something you have no control over. There's enough stress out there without trying to second-guess some arbitrary management decision.

 

[Anonymous]

As a former rep, I could have written the post for OP. I played the system until they had to fire me 7 months ago. While I would have rather had a package (asked for one and was declined), I took the unused vacation and holiday pay and filed for unemployment. I was fortunate to have planned for such an occasion, I have no debt and my spouse has health insurance. I have been collecting unemployment ever since and still have 20 more weeks or so until it runs out.

Having owned a business in the past, I know that the rate an employer pays for unemployment insurance is reflected in the number and amount of claims paid by EIC. I would suspect that Abbott is now paying close to 8% for the first $8k for all Abbott employees in the state and there are a lot of Abbott employees in my state.

If a manager targets you do the following in this order: get out of debt; find out your states rules for claiming unemployment (non performance is not a reason); look for a used car that you can pay cash for; start looking for a job; lastly, think about starting your own business.

 

[Anonymous]

I am so tired of hearing people talk about how hard it is to terminate a rep. It is easy if you know what you are doing. There is not one rep working for Abbott that has not done at least one thing worthy of being "fired." Managers just have to decide they want a rep gone. Finding time stamp irregularities, signature falsifications, sample disbursement errors (don't act like you enter your sample inventories with what you really have on hand), expense report falsifications (estimating your personal mileage/business mileage is falsification btw), or any number of trumped up performance metrics is very easy. As soon as a manager has any cause to put a rep on a PIP they can and will make life an absolute hell to the point it is impossible to adhere to the terms of the PIP. Most reps will just resign at this point making life better for the management.

The issue is whether or not the RM/DM has decided they want nothing more to do with you. The criteria used to fire one rep will not be fairly applied to a different rep that is "towing the company line" or "flying under the radar." I was a manager in Texas and watched great rep after great rep either be fired, transfer out of Primary Care, or have their lives made miserable by management simply because they dared to speak their minds or , heaven forbid, think for themselves. Take it from someone on the inside of RM/DM meetings and conference calls, you as a reps are berated frequently. Very sensitive information is discussed with no regard to privacy. Many reps were discussed as if they were cattle or indentured servants.

Not all managers are like the ones described above. Many of them are wonderful managers and people but nice guys usually finish last in this company. The bigger of a jerk you are, the more people back down. The last RM I worked for was a notorious ball-buster to anyone not making All-Star (yes, this means 90% of his reps were "underperforming").

I am happy to have moved on and have some great friends left at Abbott but please do not think a manager can't come after you. To Abbott, you are a means to an end and they believe you are all replaceable no matter how well you perform during field travel or how many All-Stars you have made in the past. Watch your backs.

What dishonest planet are you from? I actually count my inventory, keep track of my mileage, do not falsify time stamps or signatures????????Would never even think of doing it. I do leave the field at 3:30 but I go home and do my admin on Abbott's time as much as possible.

 

[Anonymous]

What dishonest planet are you from? I actually count my inventory, keep track of my mileage, do not falsify time stamps or signatures????????Would never even think of doing it. I do leave the field at 3:30 but I go home and do my admin on Abbott's time as much as possible.

LOL - Even the holier-than-thou reps (like you) have done something worthy of firing. Have you ever wondered why you were encouraged to do certain things by your manager without them actually having to say what they wanted you to do? If you get caught, you get fired and they can deny ever helping you. Before you go and act like you haven't done anything wrong, go back and think about every sample you disbursed, did you report every single error to sample management? Or did you "accidentally" leave the next physician one less than they signed for? Have you logged every personal mile in a journal? Did you ever start a call on the laptop before you actually hit the field so it would appear you started before 9am (yes we know when you do this)? Have you ever talked off-label about a drug in response to what a competitor is saying? Did you ever use a non-approved reprint with a physician becasue it showed your drug to be awesome (Niaspan's 90% event reduction in HATS for example)? I've seen it all and then some. RMs and DMs can get anyone and in my experience it is the reps that are adamant about not doing anything wrong that have the most hidden junk in their closet.

 

[Anonymous]

LOL - Even the holier-than-thou reps (like you) have done something worthy of firing. Have you ever wondered why you were encouraged to do certain things by your manager without them actually having to say what they wanted you to do? If you get caught, you get fired and they can deny ever helping you. Before you go and act like you haven't done anything wrong, go back and think about every sample you disbursed, did you report every single error to sample management? Or did you "accidentally" leave the next physician one less than they signed for? Have you logged every personal mile in a journal? Did you ever start a call on the laptop before you actually hit the field so it would appear you started before 9am (yes we know when you do this)? Have you ever talked off-label about a drug in response to what a competitor is saying? Did you ever use a non-approved reprint with a physician becasue it showed your drug to be awesome (Niaspan's 90% event reduction in HATS for example)? I've seen it all and then some. RMs and DMs can get anyone and in my experience it is the reps that are adamant about not doing anything wrong that have the most hidden junk in their closet.

Couldn't agree more... Even the most stellar rep does something wrong especially at Abbott... This company has a policy for practically everything, impossible to keep everything straight...

 

[Anonymous]

Couldn't agree more... Even the most stellar rep does something wrong especially at Abbott... This company has a policy for practically everything, impossible to keep everything straight...

Actually I came here through a merger and have always been paranoid of Abbott. I actually play by the rules because I think they pretty much watch our every move.

 

[Anonymous]

Actually I came here through a merger and have always been paranoid of Abbott. I actually play by the rules because I think they pretty much watch our every move.

I came to Abbott through a merger also and they do absolutely watch everything... My point is that they have so many "rules" that it is impossible to keep them all straight which is probably their intent.. My personal favorite is you can say this from this clinical trial but can't say this, that or the other... So you can honestly say you have never made an error using one of the clinicals? Give me a break....

 

[Anonymous]

I came to Abbott through a merger also and they do absolutely watch everything... My point is that they have so many "rules" that it is impossible to keep them all straight which is probably their intent.. My personal favorite is you can say this from this clinical trial but can't say this, that or the other... So you can honestly say you have never made an error using one of the clinicals? Give me a break....

I can honestly say I have never made an error with clinical trials because I don't use the shit!

 

[Anonymous]

Couldn't agree more... Even the most stellar rep does something wrong especially at Abbott... This company has a policy for practically everything, impossible to keep everything straight...

but im gay and have never been straight

 

[Anonymous]

DM here. Have to admit, yes it is fun to fire you dimwitted, lazy, over paid fucks at times. Try being in my job and having to endure you morons trying to remember what you are supposed to do on calls, Hilarious. At manger's meetings we actually exchange stories of "best terminations". Mine are when a male rep cries like a 5 year old girl in front of his fat wife in their driveway when we are taking his car away.

Investigate retail and the service industry losers.

 

[Anonymous]

DM here. Have to admit, yes it is fun to fire you dimwitted, lazy, over paid fucks at times. Try being in my job and having to endure you morons trying to remember what you are supposed to do on calls, Hilarious. At manger's meetings we actually exchange stories of "best terminations". Mine are when a male rep cries like a 5 year old girl in front of his fat wife in their driveway when we are taking his car away.

Investigate retail and the service industry losers.

My favorite is when my manager is sitting next to me and I can see his pee pee is teensey weensey. Then I meet his fat wife and understand it doesnt matter anyways. Good luck rep. boy. Your no manager.

 

[Anonymous]

DM here. Have to admit, yes it is fun to fire you dimwitted, lazy, over paid fucks at times. Try being in my job and having to endure you morons trying to remember what you are supposed to do on calls, Hilarious. At manger's meetings we actually exchange stories of "best terminations". Mine are when a male rep cries like a 5 year old girl in front of his fat wife in their driveway when we are taking his car away.

Investigate retail and the service industry losers.

Hey shit tard...did you forget you were once a rep?!?!?

Only difference between you and I is you're a big time ass kissing, brown nosing, RM salad tossing douche bag that is dumb enough to take a DM job!

Where do you think you're going pretty soon?? Unfortunately, when you get laid off, you won't be able to land another gig because all you will be able to say is all the memorized bull$hit your RM has brain washed you with!

You can stop crying now!

 

[Anonymous]

Hey shit tard...did you forget you were once a rep?!?!?

Only difference between you and I is you're a big time ass kissing, brown nosing, RM salad tossing douche bag that is dumb enough to take a DM job!

Where do you think you're going pretty soon?? Unfortunately, when you get laid off, you won't be able to land another gig because all you will be able to say is all the memorized bull$hit your RM has brain washed you with!

You can stop crying now!

Dont waste your breath. He is no manager. Just a pos fired rep. I am a manager and would never speak like about reps. Just stirrin' the pot. Let it go.

 

[Anonymous]

Post #6 should be an indication that no matter how clever you think you are, management already knows everything. It's an accumulated warehouse of knowledge from years and years of doing it themselves, so don't go thinking you're writing the book on clever new ways to cheat the system.

 

[Anonymous]

All managers are trying to justify their jobs right now. If they get rid of "under performing" reps then it looks to their bosses that they have a purpose. It's a CYA world in pharma right now. DMs and RMs are probably in more jeopardy right now than reps IMO.

 

[Anonymous]

Hey shit tard...did you forget you were once a rep?!?!?

Only difference between you and I is you're a big time ass kissing, brown nosing, RM salad tossing douche bag that is dumb enough to take a DM job!

Where do you think you're going pretty soon?? Unfortunately, when you get laid off, you won't be able to land another gig because all you will be able to say is all the memorized bull$hit your RM has brain washed you with!

You can stop crying now!

Don't you be makin' me come after you ass too..;

 

[Anonymous]

All managers are trying to justify their jobs right now. If they get rid of "under performing" reps then it looks to their bosses that they have a purpose. It's a CYA world in pharma right now. DMs and RMs are probably in more jeopardy right now than reps IMO.

Blah, blah, blah. It is a CYA world period, not just in pharma. You will lose your job, I will lose mine. Just land another job. That is the way of the world.

 

[Anonymous]

Wrong verb in the thread title. Should begin with 'f' and rhyme with 'luck'

I am so tired of hearing people talk about how hard it is to terminate a rep. It is easy if you know what you are doing. There is not one rep working for Abbott that has not done at least one thing worthy of being "fired." Managers just have to decide they want a rep gone. Finding time stamp irregularities, signature falsifications, sample disbursement errors (don't act like you enter your sample inventories with what you really have on hand), expense report falsifications (estimating your personal mileage/business mileage is falsification btw), or any number of trumped up performance metrics is very easy. As soon as a manager has any cause to put a rep on a PIP they can and will make life an absolute hell to the point it is impossible to adhere to the terms of the PIP. Most reps will just resign at this point making life better for the management.

The issue is whether or not the RM/DM has decided they want nothing more to do with you. The criteria used to fire one rep will not be fairly applied to a different rep that is "towing the company line" or "flying under the radar." I was a manager in Texas and watched great rep after great rep either be fired, transfer out of Primary Care, or have their lives made miserable by management simply because they dared to speak their minds or , heaven forbid, think for themselves. Take it from someone on the inside of RM/DM meetings and conference calls, you as a reps are berated frequently. Very sensitive information is discussed with no regard to privacy. Many reps were discussed as if they were cattle or indentured servants.

Not all managers are like the ones described above. Many of them are wonderful managers and people but nice guys usually finish last in this company. The bigger of a jerk you are, the more people back down. The last RM I worked for was a notorious ball-buster to anyone not making All-Star (yes, this means 90% of his reps were "underperforming").

I am happy to have moved on and have some great friends left at Abbott but please do not think a manager can't come after you. To Abbott, you are a means to an end and they believe you are all replaceable no matter how well you perform during field travel or how many All-Stars you have made in the past. Watch your backs.