Reasons why I should/should not join Sun Ophthalmic

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Don’t listen to the disgruntled trash that complain on this site. Go on LinkedIn and speak to people in your geography. Ask questions and formulate your own opinion.
 




1. Do your research
2. There's a poster (in another section) that mentioned searching linkedin for former employees - reach out to them for their thoughts - some may respond.
3. Search through the posts on this site - but caution - lots of extreme views
4. Talk to the headhunters/recruiters
5. Go so far as to ask your own eye doc (and their office staff) about Sun
6. Research Sun itself for ethics
7. Check out current Sun employees on linkedin - see how long they have worked at Sun. Where did they come from, experience, etc.
8. Make your decision....
 












anonymous said:
1. Do your research
2. There's a poster (in another section) that mentioned searching linkedin for former employees - reach out to them for their thoughts - some may respond.
3. Search through the posts on this site - but caution - lots of extreme views
4. Talk to the headhunters/recruiters
5. Go so far as to ask your own eye doc (and their office staff) about Sun
6. Research Sun itself for ethics
7. Check out current Sun employees on linkedin - see how long they have worked at Sun. Where did they come from, experience, etc.
8. Make your decision....
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Here’s the post referenced in #2 above.
it’s under a ‘recent firings /recent resignations’ thread.

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You actually sound reasonably intelligent, and your research approach is pretty decent. I’m sure no other potential candidate has attempted the cross-matching that you have. Kudos.
That alone indicates your IQ is in the 99.9% percentile of Sun people.
Only because you seem legit, I’ll make the effort to provide some insights.
- Sun is NOT what anyone in a real pharma company would consider to be a legit company
- culture is borderline, if not abusive
- in India, Sun is god-like, there’s an incredible glut of labor, therefore Sun considers it a privilege to work FOR them
- ethics and integrity as you probably know it does not exist
This mindset carries over to the US
- the strategy is all about savings/cost-extraction. Think: this is a generic pill manufacturer. That’s the DNA. Investing in people and patients is truly a foreign concept that they’ll never understand
- turnover: incalculable. Territories on their third rep in 2 years. Home office turnover in key positions is close to 80%.
Personally, I believe the 5 people who’ve been there 3+ years can’t find a job elsewhere
- you will literally see reps AND managers who were personal trainers, real estate agents and landscapers in their job prior to Sun. Sun has had to scrape the bottom barrel to recruit.
- you are continually screwed out of bonus. Yeah, we’ve all had issues with IC programs, but this is inherent in every quarter.
- yes, all the legit sales and marketing people left
- NO ONE ( ok, maybe 3 people in the last 3 years) came to Sun from a well regarded pharma company. If they did, they were unemployed in between
- ONE person left Sun in the past 3 years to go to a legit company (BMS). All the others went back into their prior caves or even downgraded from Sun if that possible
- then there’s the compliance stuff, the OIG investigation, and the fact the CEO in the US paid a fine to India’s equivalent of the Securities and Exchange Commission so that he and his wife would avoid insider trading prosecution. Really ?

Hopefully you can tell I’m not pissed off, this isn’t spam. I took the time to lay out facts only because you seem like a reasonable person and joining Sun would be something you’d regret.
 




















For some reason leadership no longer values with any relevant experience, and ECPs across the country are taking notice. They don’t care about anyone…from the best employee to the worst…no one has any value.
 








anonymous said:
Here’s the post referenced in #2 above.
it’s under a ‘recent firings /recent resignations’ thread.

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You actually sound reasonably intelligent, and your research approach is pretty decent. I’m sure no other potential candidate has attempted the cross-matching that you have. Kudos.
That alone indicates your IQ is in the 99.9% percentile of Sun people.
Only because you seem legit, I’ll make the effort to provide some insights.
- Sun is NOT what anyone in a real pharma company would consider to be a legit company
- culture is borderline, if not abusive
- in India, Sun is god-like, there’s an incredible glut of labor, therefore Sun considers it a privilege to work FOR them
- ethics and integrity as you probably know it does not exist
This mindset carries over to the US
- the strategy is all about savings/cost-extraction. Think: this is a generic pill manufacturer. That’s the DNA. Investing in people and patients is truly a foreign concept that they’ll never understand
- turnover: incalculable. Territories on their third rep in 2 years. Home office turnover in key positions is close to 80%.
Personally, I believe the 5 people who’ve been there 3+ years can’t find a job elsewhere
- you will literally see reps AND managers who were personal trainers, real estate agents and landscapers in their job prior to Sun. Sun has had to scrape the bottom barrel to recruit.
- you are continually screwed out of bonus. Yeah, we’ve all had issues with IC programs, but this is inherent in every quarter.
- yes, all the legit sales and marketing people left
- NO ONE ( ok, maybe 3 people in the last 3 years) came to Sun from a well regarded pharma company. If they did, they were unemployed in between
- ONE person left Sun in the past 3 years to go to a legit company (BMS). All the others went back into their prior caves or even downgraded from Sun if that possible
- then there’s the compliance stuff, the OIG investigation, and the fact the CEO in the US paid a fine to India’s equivalent of the Securities and Exchange Commission so that he and his wife would avoid insider trading prosecution. Really ?

Hopefully you can tell I’m not pissed off, this isn’t spam. I took the time to lay out facts only because you seem like a reasonable person and joining Sun would be something you’d regret.
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Whoaaa !
Thank you thank you, I pulling out of the interview process now.
 




Thankfully I found this site.

I was recently contacted through LinkedIn about a position in FL. Initially I was interested, but after doing some research and contacting some former employees (once again LinkedIn and thanks you FL reps), I must say, this company has some serious issues. Not sure if its top down or what, but the way management and others treat employees, and based on the amount of resignations (reps & sales/marketing) - this info has scared me enough to pass. Don't just heed my words, or others that attack this company. Reach out to former employees. Do your research
 




anonymous said:
The KOL know. Watch what happens to Nrx Trx. Relationships grow sales and they can also end them. That's my warning letter
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Arrogant new management thinks they can succeed with reps new to eyecare or even new to pharma. What they don’t get is how relationship based it actually is and how it will eventually affect the success of Cequa. It may seem all fine and good now because experienced reps launched it, but the more they bring in these inexperienced folks the worse off it’s going to be. But the biggest kicker is gonna be when these reps share how they’ve been treated. Eye Drs LOVE their reps and will NOT support a company that doesn’t value them regardless of how well they may like the product. It may take a minute but it’s gonna be all downhill after a certain point. Sad to see them ruin what could have been a good thing. So glad I left this greedy, selfish, unprofessional company!
 




anonymous said:
Arrogant new management thinks they can succeed with reps new to eyecare or even new to pharma. What they don’t get is how relationship based it actually is and how it will eventually affect the success of Cequa. It may seem all fine and good now because experienced reps launched it, but the more they bring in these inexperienced folks the worse off it’s going to be. But the biggest kicker is gonna be when these reps share how they’ve been treated. Eye Drs LOVE their reps and will NOT support a company that doesn’t value them regardless of how well they may like the product. It may take a minute but it’s gonna be all downhill after a certain point. Sad to see them ruin what could have been a good thing. So glad I left this greedy, selfish, unprofessional company!
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That you Kendall?
Miss you.
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