Questions about FDE and Layoffs

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Hi Everyone:

I have a couple questions about Lilly. I just received an offer as an FDE in primary care but hope to get the real story from reps instead of the DSM.

1. Are FDE usually retained if their performance is good or is it strictly a temporary thing>

2. What's the skinny on layoffs? I just weathered that storm with my old company and don't want to jump back into it. Being the new guy and an FDE seems a bit sketchy. (I'm not unemployed at the moment so have the option to stay where I am)

Thanks for any help!
 






Stay where you are!!

Accepting an FDE with Lilly would be like accepting an offer to be a cook on the Concordia cruise ship.

Stay where you are, and keep looking......anywhere but Lilly.
 






Not only was that post Hilarious-I fell off the treadmill at the gym reading it!!! But it was very accurate!! Bon Voyage- don't go anywhere. They are just letting go of the existing FDEs whose contracts expire May 1.
 






Wow, no lie. If your little red flag antenna went up enough to consider the job "a bit sketchy," you should pull down the flag and run. I'd think from what you learned with your previous company, you should have more than enough knowledge to laugh at any DM willing to fill you so full of SH*T! The ONLY value in an FDE job would be for someone unemployed and desperate to pay outstanding bills. If you are already employed, for heaven's sake don't leave it for this joke.
 






The other posters are right. An FDE position is a second rate job. It will all be at your expense. If you're already employed you'd be nuts to leave it for a temp-job at Lilly.
 












OP here. Thanks for the feedback everyone, I really appreciate it. What are you hearing about layoffs, does it sound like they are going to announce downsizing soon? Speaking as someone who just made it through a pretty rough announcement, I hate it anyone has to go through it.
 






Anonymous said:
OP here. Thanks for the feedback everyone, I really appreciate it. What are you hearing about layoffs, does it sound like they are going to announce downsizing soon? Speaking as someone who just made it through a pretty rough announcement, I hate it anyone has to go through it.
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don't let them scare you away. They want you to leave without any compensation.
 












I think he means they want you to leave without any severance. And that's exactly what will happen when your contract is over. You are not an employee... it's not a real job. When the contract is up, you're done. The FDE job is a way for the company to have an employee at your expense. It would be insane to leave a job for a position like this.
 






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I think he means they want you to leave without any severance. And that's exactly what will happen when your contract is over. You are not an employee... it's not a real job. When the contract is up, you're done. The FDE job is a way for the company to have an employee at your expense. It would be insane to leave a job for a position like this.
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I really appreciate the input from all of you. Thank you!
 






Actually I'm surprised they're even filling these spots. The company would just be using you for a short time at your expense with no risk or commitment. It really isn't "a job."
 






Anonymous said:
Actually I'm surprised they're even filling these spots. The company would just be using you for a short time at your expense with no risk or commitment. It really isn't "a job."
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I just need a paycheck. Sure I can get by with tips from the escort service, but I need to work on my resume, cause I won't always be young and pretty. That's what mama says.
 






I hope that you're taking the advice here to heart. I was an FDE, and it was the biggest mistake I ever made. Working at Lilly wasn't bad in itself. But it was a HUGE dead end career move. Everything I did for Lilly I should have been doing for an employer who gave me a 'real' job. Those years I should have spent building a career with a future. An FDE position has no future... literally by definition.

And don't believe anything HR tells you about the possibility of landing a regular position. If that's true why are they offering a temporary cantract job in the first place? (Go ahead ask them that, and do tell us what they say). If a company can't afford to hire you you can't afford to work there.
 






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I hope that you're taking the advice here to heart. I was an FDE, and it was the biggest mistake I ever made. Working at Lilly wasn't bad in itself. But it was a HUGE dead end career move. Everything I did for Lilly I should have been doing for an employer who gave me a 'real' job. Those years I should have spent building a career with a future. An FDE position has no future... literally by definition.

And don't believe anything HR tells you about the possibility of landing a regular position. If that's true why are they offering a temporary cantract job in the first place? (Go ahead ask them that, and do tell us what they say). If a company can't afford to hire you you can't afford to work there.
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OP again, yes I am taking this to heart. I really appreciate the feedback as (most) of the posts were helpful. It's not like that on the board of the company I work for now. Too many part time comedians on there making themselves feel good. I genuinely thought FDE was a way to bring someone in, and have it be easier if they stunk as a rep to show them the door. So it seems I was way off and if I jump over there since my company isn't quite solid that a) I'd be let go in the end, possibly much sooner and b) no severance when it happens. Not cool.
 












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Anonymous said:
I genuinely thought FDE was a way to bring someone in, and have it be easier if they stunk as a rep to show them the door."

YOU WERE FLAT OUT LIED TO!
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Definitely seems that way. DSM told me that FDE employees, if they prove to be solid reps, are found ways to stay with the company. Needless to say, I'm pretty disappointed I'm hearing a different version of things here.
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An FDE is definately NOT a plan to bring someone in to a regular job. This fiction has been told over and over. They cover themselves by saying it's a 'possibility'. HR isn't foolish enough to actually lie to an applicant. (Ask for this 'possibility' in writing. I'm sure they'll do it without hesitition). It sounds appealing and means absolutely nothing. You can say that there's a 'possibility' of just about anything.

It's very misleading, and deceitful. The purpose is to get someone in the position without adding to head count because you won't go 'on the books', you're a contractor.

Think about it logically... The company is undergoing a very large head count reduction, and they're offering you a temporaty position. Maybe telling you there's a POSSIBILITY of landing a regular job. This just doesn't, and never could, pass the smell test.

Ask them why, if this 'possibility' is so rosey, is the job not just regular employment in the first place. I'm sure they have an answer vetted by lawyers, and HR. That won't pass the smell test either.

If a job has as much 'funny business' as this, could anyone think it's a good idea?
 






Anonymous said:
An FDE is definately NOT a plan to bring someone in to a regular job. This fiction has been told over and over. They cover themselves by saying it's a 'possibility'. HR isn't foolish enough to actually lie to an applicant. (Ask for this 'possibility' in writing. I'm sure they'll do it without hesitition). It sounds appealing and means absolutely nothing. You can say that there's a 'possibility' of just about anything.

It's very misleading, and deceitful. The purpose is to get someone in the position without adding to head count because you won't go 'on the books', you're a contractor.

Think about it logically... The company is undergoing a very large head count reduction, and they're offering you a temporaty position. Maybe telling you there's a POSSIBILITY of landing a regular job. This just doesn't, and never could, pass the smell test.

Ask them why, if this 'possibility' is so rosey, is the job not just regular employment in the first place. I'm sure they have an answer vetted by lawyers, and HR. That won't pass the smell test either.

If a job has as much 'funny business' as this, could anyone think it's a good idea?
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What you say makes perfect sense. Sometimes in an interview we hear what we want to hear I guess. Oh well, I'm just thankful I'm not unemployed, but then again it would be an option I suppose if I were.
 






Anonymous said:
An FDE is definately NOT a plan to bring someone in to a regular job. This fiction has been told over and over. They cover themselves by saying it's a 'possibility'. HR isn't foolish enough to actually lie to an applicant. (Ask for this 'possibility' in writing. I'm sure they'll do it without hesitition). It sounds appealing and means absolutely nothing. You can say that there's a 'possibility' of just about anything.

It's very misleading, and deceitful. The purpose is to get someone in the position without adding to head count because you won't go 'on the books', you're a contractor.

Think about it logically... The company is undergoing a very large head count reduction, and they're offering you a temporaty position. Maybe telling you there's a POSSIBILITY of landing a regular job. This just doesn't, and never could, pass the smell test.

Ask them why, if this 'possibility' is so rosey, is the job not just regular employment in the first place. I'm sure they have an answer vetted by lawyers, and HR. That won't pass the smell test either.

If a job has as much 'funny business' as this, could anyone think it's a good idea?
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Well I'm in the midwest and I know of 6 FDE that turned into fulltime since the last realignment
 






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