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[Anonymous]

I am hopping one or two kind soles will help me with the following information.

I have recently be relocated to AZ and am searching for a no nonsense pysch to help me get my appropriatly diagnosed adhd medication.
I would like to be able to do it without having to take multiple test my previous psychologist and psychiatrist had me do ( only 9 months ago). if you know a provider that diagnosis and treats adult ADHD and think that the medical records and referall from an out of state MD would send over would suffice, would you be so kind to list the doctors name.

I am a legitimate patient, who as a child tool cylert( liver issues) then methaphenadate (spelling sorry)then dextroaphetime (work ok) then adderall (life safer, worked great)......after college I wanted to go into law enforcement and for whatever reason my doctor felt it would be best to take provigel (drug screening I think) that drug did nothing for me. I have been in the law enforcement arena for a few years and spoke in confidence with my Captain about my ADHD, he stated that he would be happier to have me "being properly treated" and "running on all cylinders" then being under treated and having to deal with the problems that might cause.
So went to the psych, he refereed me to a psychologist who ran a bunch of test that I described about. The confirmatory the diagnosis buy put me on a in effective drug called strattera (sp). The pysch then put me on vyanse, it seemed to work good but my prescription has run out.

I felt it was important to tell you guys my history (hopefully to add to its validity) and to appeal to you for assistance. The girl I am dating is a device rep ( she only knows surgeons not pysch/o) and mentioned I should go on this site for guidance.

to keep a long story from being longer - it would be great to get a few names of adult pyschs in the tempe/gilbert/chandler area that you think could be of assistance. I am not sure of the rules of your company/cafepharma/industry, so if it is not appropriate to provide names, would you be able to give me names of community groups or national organizations that provide patient education.

- a guy who just wants to get better and limit the embarrassing question of ( do you often forget things, do you often interrupt, do you find it difficult to pay attention in meetings)

PS
my answer is yes and then some to the questions listed above.

 

[Anonymous]

Dude, obviously nobody is going to start listing names of docs on here. Just go see a doc, tell them your history, have your med history given to them if they need it, and they will treat you with what they feel is appropriate. Lots of people have ADHD so you being treated because you moved does not require a whole lot of work. I bet your current doc might be able to refer you to a doc in your new town.

 

[Anonymous]

Dude, obviously nobody is going to start listing names of docs on here. Just go see a doc, tell them your history, have your med history given to them if they need it, and they will treat you with what they feel is appropriate. Lots of people have ADHD so you being treated because you moved does not require a whole lot of work. I bet your current doc might be able to refer you to a doc in your new town.

its taken care of thanks.

It is amazing to me professionals in your field, who view this as a serious disease, intentionally choose not help a patient. With the varying degree of expertise within a specialty (psych) I would assume that you would have a moral obligation to assisting patients locate the correct physician. if you are worried about someone exhibiting drug seeking behavior, then you would be even more compelled to get that person to a "smart" doctor and avoid them randomly finding a psych that would prescribe anything.
- let the onslaught of ridicule, criticism , and name calling begin -

PS
Stephen Grcevich (my old doc from the church that I attended) recommended Saif Jaffery, MD, CIME in scottsdale and Dr. Marc Schwartz, D.O. in PHX, I am working with Dr. Schwartz . Jaffery seemed a little off.

 

[Anonymous]

well said


may the schwartz be with you

 

[Anonymous]

its taken care of thanks.

It is amazing to me professionals in your field, who view this as a serious disease, intentionally choose not help a patient. With the varying degree of expertise within a specialty (psych) I would assume that you would have a moral obligation to assisting patients locate the correct physician. if you are worried about someone exhibiting drug seeking behavior, then you would be even more compelled to get that person to a "smart" doctor and avoid them randomly finding a psych that would prescribe anything.
- let the onslaught of ridicule, criticism , and name calling begin -

PS
Stephen Grcevich (my old doc from the church that I attended) recommended Saif Jaffery, MD, CIME in scottsdale and Dr. Marc Schwartz, D.O. in PHX, I am working with Dr. Schwartz . Jaffery seemed a little off.

Clearly you have a complete misunderstanding of our jobs. No doubt, I feel for you, but you, like most of the public (ie those staring at us in the waiting rooms) don't have any idea of what we are allowed to do BY LAW and by regulation, much less what we do on a daily basis.

Understand this:

WE ARE BY LAW, ACCORDING TO THE FDA, NOT ALLOWED TO INTERACT WITH PATIENTS REGARDING, WELL, ANYTHING.

That includes posting on Websites such as CP.

It's not that we don't want to help you as Sales Representatives of our respective companies, it's just that we would be breaking the law if we did. We are only allowed to interact with medical service providers and only allowed to discuss information that is included in the Prescribing Information (PI).

You want change? You want us to help you? Lobby your representatives in Congress and at the the FDA and ask them to empower us with this ability. Until then, I feel for you, but I have to advise you to talk to your doctor.

 

[Anonymous]

Clearly you have a complete misunderstanding of our jobs. No doubt, I feel for you, but you, like most of the public (ie those staring at us in the waiting rooms) don't have any idea of what we are allowed to do BY LAW and by regulation, much less what we do on a daily basis.

Understand this:

WE ARE BY LAW, ACCORDING TO THE FDA, NOT ALLOWED TO INTERACT WITH PATIENTS REGARDING, WELL, ANYTHING.

That includes posting on Websites such as CP.

It's not that we don't want to help you as Sales Representatives of our respective companies, it's just that we would be breaking the law if we did. We are only allowed to interact with medical service providers and only allowed to discuss information that is included in the Prescribing Information (PI).

You want change? You want us to help you? Lobby your representatives in Congress and at the the FDA and ask them to empower us with this ability. Until then, I feel for you, but I have to advise you to talk to your doctor.

I don't know the law? I think I do, Freedom of Speech is the foundation of our country. none the less, if you and your colleagues are so concerned with the law and respecting the wishes of you company why are you on this site anonymously spewing libel and contentious information about each other. Additionally no such law exists that prohibits sales Representatives from speaking to patients (freedom of speech again) your company may have policies in place that prohibit this or they may adhere to the PhRMA guidelines (which is a voluntary set of guidelines set in place by industry and enrollment is voluntary as well) The FDA, OIG, DDMAC and the Attorney General do not differentiate between sales and marketing with respect to patient interaction. Think of DTC advertising, as long as the information is portrayed on label, in a fair and balanced manner, including indications, ISI, and warnings it is permitted.
Even if this wasn't the case, to defeat you with your own logic, you have violated your company policy and the FDA by responding to my post. (FDA doesn't take enforcement actions only the Office of Criminal Investigations as well as DDMAC, thought you might want to know that)
So according to your definition "We are only allowed to interact with medical service providers and only allowed to discuss information that is included in the Prescribing Information (PI)" you never discuss disease state information? This is a common practice when you are developing a market in a pre-launch campaign. This is permitted, allowed, and often a course of action taken by many pharma companies before approval of a drug.
Additionaly, I was not asking for a drug, for a diagnosis, only a reputable pysch in an area? No Product, No Diagnosis only a MD - pretty sure that's a referral that anybody with local area knowledge could provide.
As far what your job entails -Pharmaceutical Sales Representative, ADHD Division
Contribute to achieving national sales quota by effectively implementing marketing strategies and sales plan in assigned region. Provide current, accurate and meaningful product information to physicians, pharmacists, hospitals, and other customers, for the primary purpose of selling the customer on Shire products. Does that sound familiar.
-Precall plan, conduct sales call, close, post call analysis
-Peer to Peer educational programs
-Lunch and Learns
-Enter Call notes
-Complete Expense Report
- Understand managed care, formulary, and competitor information


To save your self further embarrassment, don't tell somebody who you don't know what they don't know.

 

[Anonymous]

WOW you schooled that person, if he would have read your post he would have known that you were in law enforcement as well as dating someone who works in the industry. Glad to see you found a doctor. Dr. G is a great guy, you are lucky to know him

 

[Anonymous]

you are using the schwartz, glad this board lets you get out some frustration. take it easy on the guy, he is a sales rep for shire - we tend to be a bit slow on the uptake

 

[Anonymous]

I don't know the law? I think I do, Freedom of Speech is the foundation of our country. none the less, if you and your colleagues are so concerned with the law and respecting the wishes of you company why are you on this site anonymously spewing libel and contentious information about each other. Additionally no such law exists that prohibits sales Representatives from speaking to patients (freedom of speech again) your company may have policies in place that prohibit this or they may adhere to the PhRMA guidelines (which is a voluntary set of guidelines set in place by industry and enrollment is voluntary as well) The FDA, OIG, DDMAC and the Attorney General do not differentiate between sales and marketing with respect to patient interaction. Think of DTC advertising, as long as the information is portrayed on label, in a fair and balanced manner, including indications, ISI, and warnings it is permitted.
Even if this wasn't the case, to defeat you with your own logic, you have violated your company policy and the FDA by responding to my post. (FDA doesn't take enforcement actions only the Office of Criminal Investigations as well as DDMAC, thought you might want to know that)
So according to your definition "We are only allowed to interact with medical service providers and only allowed to discuss information that is included in the Prescribing Information (PI)" you never discuss disease state information? This is a common practice when you are developing a market in a pre-launch campaign. This is permitted, allowed, and often a course of action taken by many pharma companies before approval of a drug.
Additionaly, I was not asking for a drug, for a diagnosis, only a reputable pysch in an area? No Product, No Diagnosis only a MD - pretty sure that's a referral that anybody with local area knowledge could provide.
As far what your job entails -Pharmaceutical Sales Representative, ADHD Division
Contribute to achieving national sales quota by effectively implementing marketing strategies and sales plan in assigned region. Provide current, accurate and meaningful product information to physicians, pharmacists, hospitals, and other customers, for the primary purpose of selling the customer on Shire products. Does that sound familiar.
-Precall plan, conduct sales call, close, post call analysis
-Peer to Peer educational programs
-Lunch and Learns
-Enter Call notes
-Complete Expense Report
- Understand managed care, formulary, and competitor information


To save your self further embarrassment, don't tell somebody who you don't know what they don't know.

You make several good points. However, just because you feel we should name docs names does not mean anyone has to, or should. Our docs might not appreciate it either. Some wouldnt care, but others would (even if the comment is positive). As smart as your reply was, your initial question was ignorant, naive, and to be honest one of the more idiotic ones ive read on cp (and that is saying alot) which leads me to believe that you have more issues than adhd... Especially after seeing how drawn out this has become... Good luck to you.

 

[Anonymous]

I don't know the law? I think I do, Freedom of Speech is the foundation of our country. none the less, if you and your colleagues are so concerned with the law and respecting the wishes of you company why are you on this site anonymously spewing libel and contentious information about each other. Additionally no such law exists that prohibits sales Representatives from speaking to patients (freedom of speech again) your company may have policies in place that prohibit this or they may adhere to the PhRMA guidelines (which is a voluntary set of guidelines set in place by industry and enrollment is voluntary as well) The FDA, OIG, DDMAC and the Attorney General do not differentiate between sales and marketing with respect to patient interaction. Think of DTC advertising, as long as the information is portrayed on label, in a fair and balanced manner, including indications, ISI, and warnings it is permitted.
Even if this wasn't the case, to defeat you with your own logic, you have violated your company policy and the FDA by responding to my post. (FDA doesn't take enforcement actions only the Office of Criminal Investigations as well as DDMAC, thought you might want to know that)
So according to your definition "We are only allowed to interact with medical service providers and only allowed to discuss information that is included in the Prescribing Information (PI)" you never discuss disease state information? This is a common practice when you are developing a market in a pre-launch campaign. This is permitted, allowed, and often a course of action taken by many pharma companies before approval of a drug.
Additionaly, I was not asking for a drug, for a diagnosis, only a reputable pysch in an area? No Product, No Diagnosis only a MD - pretty sure that's a referral that anybody with local area knowledge could provide.
As far what your job entails -Pharmaceutical Sales Representative, ADHD Division
Contribute to achieving national sales quota by effectively implementing marketing strategies and sales plan in assigned region. Provide current, accurate and meaningful product information to physicians, pharmacists, hospitals, and other customers, for the primary purpose of selling the customer on Shire products. Does that sound familiar.
-Precall plan, conduct sales call, close, post call analysis
-Peer to Peer educational programs
-Lunch and Learns
-Enter Call notes
-Complete Expense Report
- Understand managed care, formulary, and competitor information


To save your self further embarrassment, don't tell somebody who you don't know what they don't know.

Wow, get yourself on meds now.

 

[Anonymous]

You make several good points. However, just because you feel we should name docs names does not mean anyone has to, or should. Our docs might not appreciate it either. Some wouldnt care, but others would (even if the comment is positive). As smart as your reply was, your initial question was ignorant, naive, and to be honest one of the more idiotic ones ive read on cp (and that is saying alot) which leads me to believe that you have more issues than adhd... Especially after seeing how drawn out this has become... Good luck to you.

I do thanks for the kind words

Truth hurts , when an outsider knows more about your world than you do

 

[Anonymous]

I don't know the law? I think I do, Freedom of Speech is the foundation of our country. none the less, if you and your colleagues are so concerned with the law and respecting the wishes of you company why are you on this site anonymously spewing libel and contentious information about each other. Additionally no such law exists that prohibits sales Representatives from speaking to patients (freedom of speech again) your company may have policies in place that prohibit this or they may adhere to the PhRMA guidelines (which is a voluntary set of guidelines set in place by industry and enrollment is voluntary as well) The FDA, OIG, DDMAC and the Attorney General do not differentiate between sales and marketing with respect to patient interaction. Think of DTC advertising, as long as the information is portrayed on label, in a fair and balanced manner, including indications, ISI, and warnings it is permitted.
Even if this wasn't the case, to defeat you with your own logic, you have violated your company policy and the FDA by responding to my post. (FDA doesn't take enforcement actions only the Office of Criminal Investigations as well as DDMAC, thought you might want to know that)
So according to your definition "We are only allowed to interact with medical service providers and only allowed to discuss information that is included in the Prescribing Information (PI)" you never discuss disease state information? This is a common practice when you are developing a market in a pre-launch campaign. This is permitted, allowed, and often a course of action taken by many pharma companies before approval of a drug.
Additionaly, I was not asking for a drug, for a diagnosis, only a reputable pysch in an area? No Product, No Diagnosis only a MD - pretty sure that's a referral that anybody with local area knowledge could provide.
As far what your job entails -Pharmaceutical Sales Representative, ADHD Division
Contribute to achieving national sales quota by effectively implementing marketing strategies and sales plan in assigned region. Provide current, accurate and meaningful product information to physicians, pharmacists, hospitals, and other customers, for the primary purpose of selling the customer on Shire products. Does that sound familiar.
-Precall plan, conduct sales call, close, post call analysis
-Peer to Peer educational programs
-Lunch and Learns
-Enter Call notes
-Complete Expense Report
- Understand managed care, formulary, and competitor information


To save your self further embarrassment, don't tell somebody who you don't know what they don't know.

wonder how this guy is doing? Sure could use the sales here in phx

 

[Anonymous]

I don't know the law? I think I do, Freedom of Speech is the foundation of our country. none the less, if you and your colleagues are so concerned with the law and respecting the wishes of you company why are you on this site anonymously spewing libel and contentious information about each other. Additionally no such law exists that prohibits sales Representatives from speaking to patients (freedom of speech again) your company may have policies in place that prohibit this or they may adhere to the PhRMA guidelines (which is a voluntary set of guidelines set in place by industry and enrollment is voluntary as well) The FDA, OIG, DDMAC and the Attorney General do not differentiate between sales and marketing with respect to patient interaction. Think of DTC advertising, as long as the information is portrayed on label, in a fair and balanced manner, including indications, ISI, and warnings it is permitted.
Even if this wasn't the case, to defeat you with your own logic, you have violated your company policy and the FDA by responding to my post. (FDA doesn't take enforcement actions only the Office of Criminal Investigations as well as DDMAC, thought you might want to know that)
So according to your definition "We are only allowed to interact with medical service providers and only allowed to discuss information that is included in the Prescribing Information (PI)" you never discuss disease state information? This is a common practice when you are developing a market in a pre-launch campaign. This is permitted, allowed, and often a course of action taken by many pharma companies before approval of a drug.
Additionaly, I was not asking for a drug, for a diagnosis, only a reputable pysch in an area? No Product, No Diagnosis only a MD - pretty sure that's a referral that anybody with local area knowledge could provide.
As far what your job entails -Pharmaceutical Sales Representative, ADHD Division
Contribute to achieving national sales quota by effectively implementing marketing strategies and sales plan in assigned region. Provide current, accurate and meaningful product information to physicians, pharmacists, hospitals, and other customers, for the primary purpose of selling the customer on Shire products. Does that sound familiar.
-Precall plan, conduct sales call, close, post call analysis
-Peer to Peer educational programs
-Lunch and Learns
-Enter Call notes
-Complete Expense Report
- Understand managed care, formulary, and competitor information


To save your self further embarrassment, don't tell somebody who you don't know what they don't know.

this person dont got no ADHD! CP is the cure! YAY