Newbie to pharma! Need advice!

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Hi!!
I am looking to get into the pharma field and found a position online for AstraZeneca for sales specialist. What is your day to day like? How many calls are you expected to do? Do you only call on physicians? Or do you have to go to pharmacies too? Any info would be great!
Thanks!!!
 




Well we are expected to get 8 or so calls a day, but you can just pull up your customer on the computer and fake them really easy. This is what we all do about 75% of the time! If you kiss your managers ass then they usually don't give you shit over this.

The really cool thing is that when that when you do lunches, it is so easy to steal meals. Just ask the resteraunts to give you a few extra meals, just bring a cooler and boom you got yourself dinner! I've been doing this for years! Also gift certificates are possible just make sure they are not on the itemized re kept.

It is fairly Easy to have another job on the side. A lot of us do this, most of us only actually work about 15 or 20 hours a week. When your manager rides with you just be careful.

If you have to pay your docs ... Uh do programs at night... Go to a venue that makes you guarantee about 20 people, that way when 1 or 2 old retired docs show, you can take those other meals home! Steaks!

This is a great life! Hope you get it.
 








Ok, well two fired reps are posting your reply. Those were the good ole days. No, you cannot fake most of your calls. At least, not sitting in your bathrobe eating those free lunches. You will however fake a lot of actually face to face calling as doctors (if you have any that take samples) will give you one minute or less in a hallway. It is not a real call and you can say very little to move a product. If you do move a doctor, it happens in very small moments. Programs are horrible and few doctors in my area go. Yet we are expected to do them. A compliance officer usually shows up and ensures that you have all the right people and an EXACT head count is required with only licensed HCPs. Few offices do lunch and you will get some selling time there and now and then a sandwich to take home. The bad news is all the territories are so big, it will go toxic on any drive home - if you can even go home. Enjoy your cheap hotel. You are expected to get six to eight face to face calls a day. The metric is virtually impossible to ever hit if you are calling on only specialists like cardiology. It is probably impossible if you are calling on primary care in all but a few areas of the country. So, those quick stops at the front desk where they tell you to kiss off, you have to make that a real call or you'll be fired. If you get caught making a "fake" call, you will be fired. You could be fired for just about any reason at all in pharma.

Pharma is a career killer. It can pay well but do not for even a moment think this is a career. It is actually a career killer and if you spend several years (lucky) doing it, you will probably never work a real job again. If you get in, work on your education or a technical degree or a side business. However, most of the AZ reps that I know work at least 50 hours a week leaving little time for much else once you get home to only do tests, trackers, emails, record your calls, sync, reload your car and suitcase and take care of any BS from management or your neverending teleconference schedule. This will bring you to a twelve hour day nearly everyday.

There is nothing about the job that is rewarding and ride alongs usually bring diarrhea and a lot of stress as your manager wants to see you spout the company message on every call. He or she will stand right behind you all day and write you up regarding how well you executed the brand team's strategy and showed your AZ leadership behaviors. Your offices will grow to hate you just for that and good luck getting past the gatekeeper with a manager by your side. If you are hospital, you will be credentialed to death and cannot get in the door without a badge and all their BS. Credentialing means shots, tests, more shots, and reading endless pages of hospital policy to abide by each system's rules.

My advice is to not come in this direction and if you do, be prepared to do something else entirely in a few years as the industry is dying and layoffs/firings are a yearly thing. Go read the "General Discussion" boards here on CP. There is plenty of advice on the horrors of working in this industry. You might as well have blanks on your resume while you are in pharma and getting out to something better is nearly impossible b/c this job is viewed as a joke by all other industries and even entry positions elsewhere. Also, access is so bad in most places that only old timers with great relationship are actually getting any time at all in front of the doctor. Most of the drugs, even the new ones, no one cares about and getting coverage is a bitch. Offices only do a PA/QL when absolutely necessary and not enough to hit your goal unless you are in a great managed care or wealthy area.

BTW, no, you cannot take samples from a closet. It is a federal offense.
 




If you build a house please put in a whine cellar! Boo fuckin hoo! Some of what you said is true, but if you are working more than 5 hours a day you are a dumb ass! Must be hospital, for the first time you losers are actually accountable for something.
 




If you build a house please put in a whine cellar! Boo fuckin hoo! Some of what you said is true, but if you are working more than 5 hours a day you are a dumb ass! Must be hospital, for the first time you losers are actually accountable for something.

Working is a matter of opinion. A friend and I were joking the other day that for actual work in pharma, counted as face time in front of a doctor where you have a conversation that moves product, is probably 20 mintues a week. LMAO!!! The rest is all busy work for management and everything leading up to getting that good twenty minute call. Go ahead and call me a liar. So we probably make about 5k an hour.... I have had days where I worked (term used loosely) six hours. However, at least three days a week I am in my car at 7 am or on a TC and then driving to accounts/offices. By the time I get home due to the size of my territory, it is well past 6 pm. By the time I finish all the B.S. paperwork and computer stuff and repack, it is 8 pm. I don't think this is about accountablility. It does not matter what group you're in at AZ, you are tracked and expected to make six to eight F2F calls per day. In most areas, that takes a lot of driving to do it without lying. Hence, you are probably faking most of your calls. I maybe fake one a day and, yes, I do call on about five pharmacies a week.
 




Well we are expected to get 8 or so calls a day, but you can just pull up your customer on the computer and fake them really easy. This is what we all do about 75% of the time! If you kiss your managers ass then they usually don't give you shit over this.

The really cool thing is that when that when you do lunches, it is so easy to steal meals. Just ask the resteraunts to give you a few extra meals, just bring a cooler and boom you got yourself dinner! I've been doing this for years! Also gift certificates are possible just make sure they are not on the itemized re kept.

It is fairly Easy to have another job on the side. A lot of us do this, most of us only actually work about 15 or 20 hours a week. When your manager rides with you just be careful.

If you have to pay your docs ... Uh do programs at night... Go to a venue that makes you guarantee about 20 people, that way when 1 or 2 old retired docs show, you can take those other meals home! Steaks!

This is a great life! Hope you get it.

The best and most accurate advice to a new pharma newbie I have ever read! Newbie! I hope you get the "job", because you are goi g to love it, IF you follow the above advice!! I probably lie about 80% of my calls in a month, and have done it for years. Remember this, KISS YOUR DM's ASS WHENEVER YOU CAN! It's the key to success! They will more than likely work with you only a couple of hours per field ride, so you don't have a lot of time for face to face ass kissing! Good luck!
 




Hi!!
I am looking to get into the pharma field and found a position online for AstraZeneca for sales specialist. What is your day to day like? How many calls are you expected to do? Do you only call on physicians? Or do you have to go to pharmacies too? Any info would be great!
Thanks!!!

Best advice is to stay the hell away from here!
 




Ok, well two fired reps are posting your reply. Those were the good ole days. No, you cannot fake most of your calls. At least, not sitting in your bathrobe eating those free lunches. You will however fake a lot of actually face to face calling as doctors (if you have any that take samples) will give you one minute or less in a hallway. It is not a real call and you can say very little to move a product. If you do move a doctor, it happens in very small moments. Programs are horrible and few doctors in my area go. Yet we are expected to do them. A compliance officer usually shows up and ensures that you have all the right people and an EXACT head count is required with only licensed HCPs. Few offices do lunch and you will get some selling time there and now and then a sandwich to take home. The bad news is all the territories are so big, it will go toxic on any drive home - if you can even go home. Enjoy your cheap hotel. You are expected to get six to eight face to face calls a day. The metric is virtually impossible to ever hit if you are calling on only specialists like cardiology. It is probably impossible if you are calling on primary care in all but a few areas of the country. So, those quick stops at the front desk where they tell you to kiss off, you have to make that a real call or you'll be fired. If you get caught making a "fake" call, you will be fired. You could be fired for just about any reason at all in pharma.

Pharma is a career killer. It can pay well but do not for even a moment think this is a career. It is actually a career killer and if you spend several years (lucky) doing it, you will probably never work a real job again. If you get in, work on your education or a technical degree or a side business. However, most of the AZ reps that I know work at least 50 hours a week leaving little time for much else once you get home to only do tests, trackers, emails, record your calls, sync, reload your car and suitcase and take care of any BS from management or your neverending teleconference schedule. This will bring you to a twelve hour day nearly everyday.

There is nothing about the job that is rewarding and ride alongs usually bring diarrhea and a lot of stress as your manager wants to see you spout the company message on every call. He or she will stand right behind you all day and write you up regarding how well you executed the brand team's strategy and showed your AZ leadership behaviors. Your offices will grow to hate you just for that and good luck getting past the gatekeeper with a manager by your side. If you are hospital, you will be credentialed to death and cannot get in the door without a badge and all their BS. Credentialing means shots, tests, more shots, and reading endless pages of hospital policy to abide by each system's rules.

My advice is to not come in this direction and if you do, be prepared to do something else entirely in a few years as the industry is dying and layoffs/firings are a yearly thing. Go read the "General Discussion" boards here on CP. There is plenty of advice on the horrors of working in this industry. You might as well have blanks on your resume while you are in pharma and getting out to something better is nearly impossible b/c this job is viewed as a joke by all other industries and even entry positions elsewhere. Also, access is so bad in most places that only old timers with great relationship are actually getting any time at all in front of the doctor. Most of the drugs, even the new ones, no one cares about and getting coverage is a bitch. Offices only do a PA/QL when absolutely necessary and not enough to hit your goal unless you are in a great managed care or wealthy area.

BTW, no, you cannot take samples from a closet. It is a federal offense.

This is spot on. I am trying to get out, but it is like a gang. I am finding it very difficult to get an interview with any reputable industry. It was a great gig, but the writing is on the wall. Plan B needed ASAP!!
 




AZ PSS retiree here. My advice: Run like a deer from AZ. AZ is a grim and oppressive place at which to work. The pay and benefits are good, but that is the ONLY good thing about AZ.

There is better than a 50% chance that your DSM will be a totally incompetent sycophant who will make your life a living hell.

Do yourself a favor: stay away from AZ.

This is based on well over a decade as a PSS at AZ.
 




The best and most accurate advice to a new pharma newbie I have ever read! Newbie! I hope you get the "job", because you are goi g to love it, IF you follow the above advice!! I probably lie about 80% of my calls in a month, and have done it for years. Remember this, KISS YOUR DM's ASS WHENEVER YOU CAN! It's the key to success! They will more than likely work with you only a couple of hours per field ride, so you don't have a lot of time for face to face ass kissing! Good luck!

You obviously do not work for AZ. Every rep I know gets an 8 or 9 hour ride day. The hospital reps get two days and this happens anywhere from once every three weeks to once a month. However, what is correct is that kissing ass is all that matters. . . course, that is all the doctors and nurses respond to anyway. Basically, that means this job is all about being a "yes" man ass kisser. Enjoy your brown nose, your high pay and your worthless life.
 




This is spot on. I am trying to get out, but it is like a gang. I am finding it very difficult to get an interview with any reputable industry. It was a great gig, but the writing is on the wall. Plan B needed ASAP!!

Look at the job boards. All anyone wants anymore are tech degrees or doctorates unless you're an engineer or IT employee. Anyone with an old Bachelor's degree in management, communications or marketing is dead. If you are over fifty, it won't matter what you do, you will not get hired ANYWHERE. Pharma might take an over fifty for contract work but those jobs are hard to get and they only last a year. Stay away from this industry!!!!!

My advice to anyone in their early forties and in pharma is to go back to school for a technical degree (CNA, RN, IT, Accounting, Coding, Social Networking, Web-building, Plumbing, Electrical degrees, Engineering, Pro-E, Science/Research, Government) or get their PA or doctorate. If that is not for you, you'd better come up with your own business and make it count. Keep in mind that financial planning takes about five years before you see a good income. However, I do think that a pharma MBA manager can possibly get into another industry where people management is required (hmm, like car sales manager). That being said, soon there will be a glut of unemployed pharma managers. At some point, this industry will realize sales management is worthless now that we can be tracked electronically and everything can be handled remotely.
 
















Not trying to hurt your feelings but do you even have an IV? Territories vary. Some can be four hrs in the car daily or spend the night. You call on everyone that can drive business or who deals with a pt on an AZ med....docs, nurses, pharmacists, quality.....this is pretty rudimentary stuff and the least of your problems here.