My observations: RTBKPL

RTBKPL

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  • RTBKPL   Jan 19, 2011 at 09:13: AM
From what I understand from one of my former counterparts, the lunches and evening programs are going by the wayside. Seems that doctors don't want their participation in such events to be made public creating the appearance of being bought by Pharma and who can blame them? Now reps will need to find a way to make progress during those short hall encounters while the physician is signing for samples. I additionally understand that reps are now almost totally required to "read" from the sales aid and not deviate from the contents therein. Brilliant.

What in the hell is management thinking? I understand that certain regulations place restrictions on what can and can't be done but it would appear to this observer that the interpretation of these regulations is what's causing the problem. In many if not most cases the mere display of a sales aid will make a physician turn and depart the pattern. Reps should be trained to and allowed to "wing" it, presenting the same information but without the foolish maneuvers which cause the sale call to fall apart. I frequently used a visual aid on a call but did so as discretely as possible. It can be helpful but it can be a hinderance too. While I am confident that most FLM's will applaud this new approach, they do so only so as to appear to be toeing the company line. To do otherwise is to put one's self in peril, believe me, I know and therein lies the problem. The boys at the top never get the straight word on the realities of sales at the very basic level. I remember very distinctly an encounter with an RD who claimed to have never heard the problems we had been voicing to FLM's. There needs to be a clear and easily accessed avenue for sales to communicate with the upper echelon the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. I am afraid though that the boys at the top don't want to hear it. Welcome to the classic stall, spin, crash on final approach. When low, slow and stupid come together it spells disaster.

While changes are occurring in other companies, it doesn't appear that they have gone as far as Novartis in their restrictiveness. Perhaps the recent losses in court, the CIA's and other slaps on the wrists have caused Novartis to be gun shy. On the other hand perhaps Novartis has become a leader at something, anticipating the next shoe to drop and avoiding the damage.

Well the coffee was great this morning and I feel I am making progress on my FAA exams. My "elderly" mind does not seem to absorb the knowledge as easily as it once did but at least I truly love what I am studying, although the fundamentals of instruction seems a bit over the top and in my opinion does not lend itself well to inflight teaching.

I hope all of you who have remained at Novartis can weather the coming storms and survive as long as I did. Agree with whatever you are told, stay on the manager's good side, take full advantage of your 401K, invest privately each month and prepare for the future. When the feces makes physical contact with the whirling blades of an electrically driven cooling device you will be ready.

Never let the bastards get you down.

RTBKPL
 


















RTBKPL: you seem to have a good handle on the industry. In your opinion when is the axe gonna fall again at Novartis? Late 2011 or mid-2012? Best of luck to you....this place sucks.
 






You are a good man! I always read your post and they make a difference to a lot of people. Please don't ever listen to the immature people who are jealous of you. That are lacking respect but their day is coming.
 






RT is a good friend of mine and I can assure you that he couldnt give a rats ass less what others think which is why he probably was given a package. I am a competitor and still found hm a likeable guy. It is amazing how the physicians feel about him and the other novartis older guy who was let go. The two most senior people in the area and they were cut keeping the young inexperienced people at lower pay. Some docs were ready to end seeing reps all together as a result and I called him. He called many of therm and let them know he was happy and didnt want to see any problems for any reps and we all appreciated that. He is a class act and I would be happy to have him as a partner. I have come into your page several times just to read his comments, you should hear him in person he is a riot.
 






From what I understand from one of my former counterparts, the lunches and evening programs are going by the wayside. Seems that doctors don't want their participation in such events to be made public creating the appearance of being bought by Pharma and who can blame them? Now reps will need to find a way to make progress during those short hall encounters while the physician is signing for samples. I additionally understand that reps are now almost totally required to "read" from the sales aid and not deviate from the contents therein. Brilliant.

What in the hell is management thinking? I understand that certain regulations place restrictions on what can and can't be done but it would appear to this observer that the interpretation of these regulations is what's causing the problem. In many if not most cases the mere display of a sales aid will make a physician turn and depart the pattern. Reps should be trained to and allowed to "wing" it, presenting the same information but without the foolish maneuvers which cause the sale call to fall apart. I frequently used a visual aid on a call but did so as discretely as possible. It can be helpful but it can be a hinderance too. While I am confident that most FLM's will applaud this new approach, they do so only so as to appear to be toeing the company line. To do otherwise is to put one's self in peril, believe me, I know and therein lies the problem. The boys at the top never get the straight word on the realities of sales at the very basic level. I remember very distinctly an encounter with an RD who claimed to have never heard the problems we had been voicing to FLM's. There needs to be a clear and easily accessed avenue for sales to communicate with the upper echelon the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. I am afraid though that the boys at the top don't want to hear it. Welcome to the classic stall, spin, crash on final approach. When low, slow and stupid come together it spells disaster.

While changes are occurring in other companies, it doesn't appear that they have gone as far as Novartis in their restrictiveness. Perhaps the recent losses in court, the CIA's and other slaps on the wrists have caused Novartis to be gun shy. On the other hand perhaps Novartis has become a leader at something, anticipating the next shoe to drop and avoiding the damage.

Well the coffee was great this morning and I feel I am making progress on my FAA exams. My "elderly" mind does not seem to absorb the knowledge as easily as it once did but at least I truly love what I am studying, although the fundamentals of instruction seems a bit over the top and in my opinion does not lend itself well to inflight teaching.

I hope all of you who have remained at Novartis can weather the coming storms and survive as long as I did. Agree with whatever you are told, stay on the manager's good side, take full advantage of your 401K, invest privately each month and prepare for the future. When the feces makes physical contact with the whirling blades of an electrically driven cooling device you will be ready.

Never let the bastards get you down.

RTBKPL

Congrats on being hired back! Oh wait... You don't work hear. You talk like you do. You talk like you have answers. The fact is times have changed. How long will this job last? Who knows. But your thoughts mean nothing.

If you had "3s" on your year end reviews you would still be here. But keep giving us your thoughts. I love a good laugh from a guy who can't let go! Find sonething better to do with your time. You don't work here!!!
 






Congrats on being hired back! Oh wait... You don't work hear. You talk like you do. You talk like you have answers. The fact is times have changed. How long will this job last? Who knows. But your thoughts mean nothing.

If you had "3s" on your year end reviews you would still be here. But keep giving us your thoughts. I love a good laugh from a guy who can't let go! Find sonething better to do with your time. You don't work here!!!

Nice spelling and grammer! Glad they kept the smart ones!!
 






I love your posts, RT. I've always enjoyed your insights and still do even if you're on the outside looking in. Best of luck to you. Hope you'll continue to post here. Don't let these whiny, illiterate little bastards who come here with their criticism of you here get you down.
 






  • RTBKPL   Jan 20, 2011 at 08:06: AM
RTBKPL: you seem to have a good handle on the industry. In your opinion when is the axe gonna fall again at Novartis? Late 2011 or mid-2012? Best of luck to you....this place sucks.

My friend I wouldn't even hazard a guess. Common sense would tell you that when Diovan goes generic, so goes Exforge, Valturna would also take a hit. Diovan did well even with a generic Coz on the market but things may well take a turn for the worse as more generics for this arb become available. Diovan might plunge prior to a true Diovan generic coming on as a result.

If there are no high dollar producing products launched in mass market there will of course be cuts. The idea is to always be ready and have a plan. A plan should include sufficient cash to survive 4 to 6 months without a job, a resume updated and ready to go, feelers out and a network established and so on.

It is quite unfortunate that our leaders, and I don't mean just the boys in the land of cheese but the cats in Washington too have missed the boat on so many occasions. Our elected leaders have sold us down the river with their spending and mismanagement of the country. Things could get ugly on the streets in the next 5 to 10 years, make sure you have a plan in place to weather storms other than at work or the meteorological type.

Hang in there my friend and remember.....

Never let the bastards get you down.

RTBKPL
 






  • RTBKPL   Jan 20, 2011 at 08:11: AM
I love your posts, RT. I've always enjoyed your insights and still do even if you're on the outside looking in. Best of luck to you. Hope you'll continue to post here. Don't let these whiny, illiterate little bastards who come here with their criticism of you here get you down.

Thank you very much and I can assure you that the whiny, illiterate little bastards will never get me down. Sometimes being on the outside looking in is not a bad place to be. I spent most of my adult working life in the employ of Novartis in one iteration or another and will continue to express my views as I see fit.

Never let the bastards get you down.

RTBKPL
 


















Actually RTBKPL is a Novartis employee until February 7th. Also assuming that he is vested with a Novartis health plan/pension/401K, he does have an interest in and a right to comment all he wants. His advice and observations are typically very good.

As he says, there are more dark clouds ahead for Novartis so only those who are prepared for the continuing storms will be able to weather them.
 






My friend I wouldn't even hazard a guess. Common sense would tell you that when Diovan goes generic, so goes Exforge, Valturna would also take a hit. Diovan did well even with a generic Coz on the market but things may well take a turn for the worse as more generics for this arb become available. Diovan might plunge prior to a true Diovan generic coming on as a result.

If there are no high dollar producing products launched in mass market there will of course be cuts. The idea is to always be ready and have a plan. A plan should include sufficient cash to survive 4 to 6 months without a job, a resume updated and ready to go, feelers out and a network established and so on.

It is quite unfortunate that our leaders, and I don't mean just the boys in the land of cheese but the cats in Washington too have missed the boat on so many occasions. Our elected leaders have sold us down the river with their spending and mismanagement of the country. Things could get ugly on the streets in the next 5 to 10 years, make sure you have a plan in place to weather storms other than at work or the meteorological type.

Hang in there my friend and remember.....

Never let the bastards get you down.

RTBKPL

I'm a former REE rep who inherited Diovan in a geography where it was "cannabalized" by the other AHY's as a pilot program. Docs were told to stop writing and were cut off from samples. So, here I am, a former REE'er with a 65% Diovan payout, competing against my own PODmates (who are going to tell me where I should and should not go so I don't undo all of their hard work in cannabalizing Dio), with Reclast and PAtch at 20 and 15% payouts. I'm going into offices of huge Dio writers with my tail between my legs looking like a chump because this company is so stupid. I've gotta think that, with Diovan going generic next year followed by Reclast soon thereafter, I'm next in line to go. Mind you, I would be thrilled to be cut. Absolutely no disrespect to those who recently go let go. I actually offered my position up to someone who wanted/needed to stay in exchange for their package -in my area several great reps in good standing were let go and wanted to stay- and the company said no. So, instead of retaining a solid rep interested in growing with the company, they have someone pissed at upper mgmt for discriminatory reasons (which HR is fully aware of) who is dying to leave. I just can't go without severance and potential unemployment.
 






RT is a good friend of mine and I can assure you that he couldnt give a rats ass less what others think which is why he probably was given a package. I am a competitor and still found hm a likeable guy. It is amazing how the physicians feel about him and the other novartis older guy who was let go. The two most senior people in the area and they were cut keeping the young inexperienced people at lower pay. Some docs were ready to end seeing reps all together as a result and I called him. He called many of therm and let them know he was happy and didnt want to see any problems for any reps and we all appreciated that. He is a class act and I would be happy to have him as a partner. I have come into your page several times just to read his comments, you should hear him in person he is a riot.

Although I didn't, I too could have written the above. It does seem odd that 2 reps in the market both over 25years would be let go.
RTBKPL is amazing in person. When he tells you the RTKBL story, the Harley stories, the cemetery story - all amazing. Now I did draw the line to go glider riding with him as he said I was the right size to be the ballast.
RTBKPL, I will be calling to chat.
 






From what I understand from one of my former counterparts, the lunches and evening programs are going by the wayside. Seems that doctors don't want their participation in such events to be made public creating the appearance of being bought by Pharma and who can blame them? Now reps will need to find a way to make progress during those short hall encounters while the physician is signing for samples. I additionally understand that reps are now almost totally required to "read" from the sales aid and not deviate from the contents therein. Brilliant.

What in the hell is management thinking? I understand that certain regulations place restrictions on what can and can't be done but it would appear to this observer that the interpretation of these regulations is what's causing the problem. In many if not most cases the mere display of a sales aid will make a physician turn and depart the pattern. Reps should be trained to and allowed to "wing" it, presenting the same information but without the foolish maneuvers which cause the sale call to fall apart. I frequently used a visual aid on a call but did so as discretely as possible. It can be helpful but it can be a hinderance too. While I am confident that most FLM's will applaud this new approach, they do so only so as to appear to be toeing the company line. To do otherwise is to put one's self in peril, believe me, I know and therein lies the problem. The boys at the top never get the straight word on the realities of sales at the very basic level. I remember very distinctly an encounter with an RD who claimed to have never heard the problems we had been voicing to FLM's. There needs to be a clear and easily accessed avenue for sales to communicate with the upper echelon the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. I am afraid though that the boys at the top don't want to hear it. Welcome to the classic stall, spin, crash on final approach. When low, slow and stupid come together it spells disaster.

While changes are occurring in other companies, it doesn't appear that they have gone as far as Novartis in their restrictiveness. Perhaps the recent losses in court, the CIA's and other slaps on the wrists have caused Novartis to be gun shy. On the other hand perhaps Novartis has become a leader at something, anticipating the next shoe to drop and avoiding the damage.

Well the coffee was great this morning and I feel I am making progress on my FAA exams. My "elderly" mind does not seem to absorb the knowledge as easily as it once did but at least I truly love what I am studying, although the fundamentals of instruction seems a bit over the top and in my opinion does not lend itself well to inflight teaching.

I hope all of you who have remained at Novartis can weather the coming storms and survive as long as I did. Agree with whatever you are told, stay on the manager's good side, take full advantage of your 401K, invest privately each month and prepare for the future. When the feces makes physical contact with the whirling blades of an electrically driven cooling device you will be ready.

Never let the bastards get you down.

RTBKPL

managemnt does NOT think and here is why:

http://www.bnet.com/blog/salesmachi...f-all-time/13630?tag=content;drawer-container
 






  • RTBKPL   Jan 21, 2011 at 08:35: AM
I'm a former REE rep who inherited Diovan in a geography where it was "cannabalized" by the other AHY's as a pilot program. Docs were told to stop writing and were cut off from samples. So, here I am, a former REE'er with a 65% Diovan payout, competing against my own PODmates (who are going to tell me where I should and should not go so I don't undo all of their hard work in cannabalizing Dio), with Reclast and PAtch at 20 and 15% payouts. I'm going into offices of huge Dio writers with my tail between my legs looking like a chump because this company is so stupid. I've gotta think that, with Diovan going generic next year followed by Reclast soon thereafter, I'm next in line to go. Mind you, I would be thrilled to be cut. Absolutely no disrespect to those who recently go let go. I actually offered my position up to someone who wanted/needed to stay in exchange for their package -in my area several great reps in good standing were let go and wanted to stay- and the company said no. So, instead of retaining a solid rep interested in growing with the company, they have someone pissed at upper mgmt for discriminatory reasons (which HR is fully aware of) who is dying to leave. I just can't go without severance and potential unemployment.

I was unaware of any pilot programs to do this but I can tell you that our direction was to forget Diovan and move Valturna and Exforge at the expense of Diovan, cannibalize away. This was the direction from our FLM and his immediate MD.

Prior to this change in call plan, a previous FLM directed my counterpart and me to ignore our first and second position products and concentrate on our third position drug, Tekturna because it was languishing. There were two reps with Tek in first position as I recall and they needed help. Our first and second position drug were doing well so we complied. Tek with all the first position voice came roaring back and who benefited? Not my counterpart, not myself but the two Tek Reps and the FLM. Subsequently we lost more with our first and second position drug than we gained with the advancement of our third. Go figure, share of voice is everything.

It appears to me that now, even more so than in the past that pods are at odds with one another. This is unfortunate and shows a lack of foresight and understanding on the part of management. Human nature is to feather one's own nest and the pods therefore cannot be teams, but groups of people competing against one another for other than the common good. Sad but this is the way things are going. No amount of direction or intervention from FLM or management at any level can correct this once the rep is in front of the doctor on a solo basis with an ulterior motive created by the call plan distribution from management.

Never let the bastards get you down.

RTBKPL
 






  • RTBKPL   Jan 21, 2011 at 08:42: AM
Although I didn't, I too could have written the above. It does seem odd that 2 reps in the market both over 25years would be let go.
RTBKPL is amazing in person. When he tells you the RTKBL story, the Harley stories, the cemetery story - all amazing. Now I did draw the line to go glider riding with him as he said I was the right size to be the ballast.
RTBKPL, I will be calling to chat.

DF, I did not mean to come across as describing you as ballast. I need to practice flying from the back seat to be a flight instructor. Can't fly solo from the back seat because it throws the CG too far aft creating a potentially dangerous situation. Therefore I invite my non pilot friends to sit in the front seat and enjoy the ride. Ask Bob V, he went along and he is still alive. This is a high performance, German built, fiberglass and composite glider and I am sure you would enjoy the ride. I will actually give you a free, introductory flying lesson. You can't log it because I do not have an instructor's rating as yet but it would be a load of fun I assure you.

Never let the bastards get you down.

RTBKPL
 






DF, I did not mean to come across as describing you as ballast. I need to practice flying from the back seat to be a flight instructor. Can't fly solo from the back seat because it throws the CG too far aft creating a potentially dangerous situation. Therefore I invite my non pilot friends to sit in the front seat and enjoy the ride. Ask Bob V, he went along and he is still alive. This is a high performance, German built, fiberglass and composite glider and I am sure you would enjoy the ride. I will actually give you a free, introductory flying lesson. You can't log it because I do not have an instructor's rating as yet but it would be a load of fun I assure you.

Never let the bastards get you down.

RTBKPL

How does one get a glider into the air?