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Merck-Sanofi Vaccineor is it Sanofi -Merck Vaccines

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Should it happen....start looking for a job. the fine print says:keep so many of our reps and you can keep so many of your reps....the rest are let go in order to pay to seal the deal. That is the way it goes....look to the past buy in/outs.
Resume your resume'
 




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By 2015 we will have merged" Sanofi and Merck Vaccine"... We already know how to harmonize
Two companies into one disfuctional one. It would be a great fit for Julie's 2020 goal.
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Not sure if it would happen. Although in cahoots in Europe, it might be anti-competitive over here. Granted HIB is the only overlap but it might own too much of the vaccine market to be allowed to occur. Just my thoughts.
 








In March 2014 Merck Vaccines will be destroyed as the FTC/US Justice Dept and states attorneys general are looking into those illegal monopolistic practice bundling market share performance contracts.

http://www.pharmalot.com/2012/03/vaccine-makers-accused-of-anticompetitive-pricing-2/

"So now, the Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington and three other groups say they have a whistleblower – someone who formerly ran the Sanofi Merck vaccine program at an unnamed physician buying group who can offer more details."

You guys are toast! Why do you need to so heavily discount a drug on market share exclusions, anyways? We all know why.

John Q. Public
 




Oh my.... This is crazy.... I not sure what this is about, since I sell Januvia, but I thought that a contract worked both ways. You don't have to be on the contract, just pay full price. If you want to save some money obey the contract. I don't think anybody is using a gun to get these contracts signed. Doesn't Gardasil have twice the coverage of Cervarix anyway. I don't think anybody anywhere in the world uses Cervarix. Does anybody still use Prevnar 7???? No I am sure everyone uses Prevnar 13. Sounds like somebody did not get the right lunch order from the Merck rep.....
 




6. The contracts, combinations, and conspiracies established by the unlawful
agreements possess all of the hallmarks and characteristics of an effective and illegal buyers’
cartel.

25. The relevant adult and pediatric vaccine market consists of the purchase of all
vaccines purchased by physicians and healthcare providers to inoculate individuals of any age
against any disease, including hepatitis A, hepatitis B, diphtheria, pertussis, tetanus, poliovirus,
streptococcus, pneumonia, haemophilus influenzae type b, rotavirus, measles, mumps, rubella,
varicella virus, meningococcal disease, papillomavirus, and influenza. Such vaccines are
collectively referred to herein as “relevant vaccines.”

Sanofi-Merck defense is:

There are no significant substitutes for this cluster of relevant vaccines, and,
depending on the nature of their practice, physicians and healthcare providers typically must
purchase all, or a significant subset, of such vaccines in order to serve their patients. A
hypothetical monopsonist of all adult and pediatric vaccines would be able to profitably impose a
small but significant and nontransitory price decrease on such vaccines.


If there are no substitutes then why must the doctors sign an agreement? That's pretty weak.
 




Anonymous said:
Oh my.... This is crazy.... I not sure what this is about, since I sell Januvia, but I thought that a contract worked both ways. You don't have to be on the contract, just pay full price. If you want to save some money obey the contract. I don't think anybody is using a gun to get these contracts signed. Doesn't Gardasil have twice the coverage of Cervarix anyway. I don't think anybody anywhere in the world uses Cervarix. Does anybody still use Prevnar 7???? No I am sure everyone uses Prevnar 13. Sounds like somebody did not get the right lunch order from the Merck rep.....
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Stop drinking the West Point Kool-Aid and get informed.

http://thehill.com/blogs/healthwatc...c-probe-of-vaccine-bundling-by-drug-companies
 








Anonymous said:
Oh my.... This is crazy.... I not sure what this is about, since I sell Januvia, but I thought that a contract worked both ways. You don't have to be on the contract, just pay full price. If you want to save some money obey the contract. I don't think anybody is using a gun to get these contracts signed. Doesn't Gardasil have twice the coverage of Cervarix anyway. I don't think anybody anywhere in the world uses Cervarix. Does anybody still use Prevnar 7???? No I am sure everyone uses Prevnar 13. Sounds like somebody did not get the right lunch order from the Merck rep.....
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Actually, you got it wrong. Cervarix is better than Gardasil. See this demand letter for FTC to investigate Merck's Cartel Bundling Vaccine Contracts.

CREW first wrote to the FTC about this issue in 2010, but a whistleblower has now provided new details about the practice. Vaccine discounts are conditioned on an express agreement that healthcare groups will purchase only a particular company’s vaccines. If any member of the practice fails to comply with this exclusivity requirement, the entire practice loses the discounts. These exclusivity contracts deprive consumers of the best healthcare, suppress competition, and prevent new and potentially more effective vaccines from entering the market.
This has real world consequences. For example, pediatricians who agree to purchase vaccines from Merck cannot offer their patients Cervarix, which is produced by GlaxoSmithKline, and is more effective than the better known Gardasil, produced by Merck, at protecting against the human papillomavirus.

Full data point is here:
http://www.crewsmostcorrupt.org/page/-/PDFs/Legal/Investigation/3-19-12 FTC Vaccine Bundling.pdf
 




Anonymous said:
Actually, you got it wrong. Cervarix is better than Gardasil. See this demand letter for FTC to investigate Merck's Cartel Bundling Vaccine Contracts.

CREW first wrote to the FTC about this issue in 2010, but a whistleblower has now provided new details about the practice. Vaccine discounts are conditioned on an express agreement that healthcare groups will purchase only a particular company’s vaccines. If any member of the practice fails to comply with this exclusivity requirement, the entire practice loses the discounts. These exclusivity contracts deprive consumers of the best healthcare, suppress competition, and prevent new and potentially more effective vaccines from entering the market.
This has real world consequences. For example, pediatricians who agree to purchase vaccines from Merck cannot offer their patients Cervarix, which is produced by GlaxoSmithKline, and is more effective than the better known Gardasil, produced by Merck, at protecting against the human papillomavirus.

Full data point is here:
http://www.crewsmostcorrupt.org/page/-/PDFs/Legal/Investigation/3-19-12 FTC Vaccine Bundling.pdf
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Hey Merck hater, don't be mad that GARDASIL is better and covers more hpv types. Just accept the fact your product sucks. How reps can go out their selling CervaRisk knowing it leaves patients exposed to genital warts and anal cancer is unethical. Go cry a river to GSK. Your words mean nothing here troll.
 




Anonymous said:
Hey Merck hater, don't be mad that GARDASIL is better and covers more hpv types. Just accept the fact your product sucks. How reps can go out their selling CervaRisk knowing it leaves patients exposed to genital warts and anal cancer is unethical. Go cry a river to GSK. Your words mean nothing here troll.
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Clearly exclusionary "sole provider" bundled discount contracts play a big part to market the spread on vaccines, else physicians and interest groups wouldn't be complaining to the FTC. Google Castro v. Sanofi. These types of cases are starting to attract public interest and Merck wants to suppress transparency of these contracts to public scrutiny. Eventually, Sherman Antitrust interests will prevail. It happened to big tech software companies already.

Besides my customers have tape recordings of Merck employees threatening pharmacy directors over enforcement threats of losing comtracted discounts. In time, will tell.
 




Anonymous said:
Clearly exclusionary "sole provider" bundled discount contracts play a big part to market the spread on vaccines, else physicians and interest groups wouldn't be complaining to the FTC. Google Castro v. Sanofi. These types of cases are starting to attract public interest and Merck wants to suppress transparency of these contracts to public scrutiny. Eventually, Sherman Antitrust interests will prevail. It happened to big tech software companies already.

Besides my customers have tape recordings of Merck employees threatening pharmacy directors over enforcement threats of losing comtracted discounts. In time, will tell.
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Then go to the media loser troll. Why waste your time here? Oh, that's right, you have no meaningful personal life. So, so sad.
 




Anonymous said:
Then go to the media loser troll. Why waste your time here? Oh, that's right, you have no meaningful personal life. So, so sad.
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Why run to the media first only to have Merck P.R. agencies try to put you in a box as seeking media attention for money? Don't think that trap will work. CP is the modern day forum of a federalist paper where you seek public action. Even CP has a social monitoring page for sen Charles grassley after he picked up on company wrongdoings on these very pages: case-in-point Vytorin data.

Only fair. if you got an issue take it to the source. You've been put on notice.

Bye! Bye!
 








Anonymous said:
In March 2014 Merck Vaccines will be destroyed as the FTC/US Justice Dept and states attorneys general are looking into those illegal monopolistic practice bundling market share performance contracts.

http://www.pharmalot.com/2012/03/vaccine-makers-accused-of-anticompetitive-pricing-2/

"So now, the Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington and three other groups say they have a whistleblower – someone who formerly ran the Sanofi Merck vaccine program at an unnamed physician buying group who can offer more details."

You guys are toast! Why do you need to so heavily discount a drug on market share exclusions, anyways? We all know why.

John Q. Public
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I don't see this going anywhere as- the customers are not entitled to any discounts on sole source vaccines. If they want to use the competition, go ahead, and pay full price on our or SP vaccines. On the other hand, if you want to save big-time on many vaccines you cannot get anywhere else, do the contract thing, save big, get your reimbursements, and be happy. If you examine the vaccine schedule, the one company of Merck, SP, and GSK that offers no vaccine that is extremely unique, is GSK. Merck and SP (and Pfizer for one) can accommodate the entire ped schedule. Don't want to save money, go ahead and use GSK and watch your fellow peds save money while you spend it on full price purchases. I don't see this "lawsuit" seeing the light of day.
 




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