Medical Leaders from Shire

anonymous

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Thoughts on Tom Koutsavils (named head of US Medical Affairs) and Wolfram Nothaft (future Takeda Chief Medical Officer).

Are they good, bad, mediocre. Will they hire Shire people instead of Takeda?
 












Cannot speak for Wolfram, however I spoke to my MSL about Tom Koutsavlis and the feedback is that he is probably the best thing that could have happened for medical affairs in the US. He is a great leader, has a vision, knows how to get the job done, will fix all the crap Shire has made of medical affairs, and he is transparent (as much as one can be at his position). He also wants to promote the internal impact of medical affairs. There are necessary firewalls between medical and commercial, but not so much so that med affairs folks feel like their hands are tied the whole time and cannot even talk to us in the commercial side.
 






Cannot speak for Wolfram, however I spoke to my MSL about Tom Koutsavlis and the feedback is that he is probably the best thing that could have happened for medical affairs in the US. He is a great leader, has a vision, knows how to get the job done, will fix all the crap Shire has made of medical affairs, and he is transparent (as much as one can be at his position). He also wants to promote the internal impact of medical affairs. There are necessary firewalls between medical and commercial, but not so much so that med affairs folks feel like their hands are tied the whole time and cannot even talk to us in the commercial side.

MAybe he can make sure med affairs actually, you know works. Wtf do they DO?
 






MAybe he can make sure med affairs actually, you know works. Wtf do they DO?

Oh I don’t know ... maybe generate the data and publications you need to engage customers , manage and develop clinical studies and translate that into a scientific stories that airhead kinesiology majors in sales , can understand and not send us into a CIA.

Want me to go on ? You work for a pharma company . Science and medicine are the backbone. No science , no pipeline, nothing for you to sell .
 


















Oh I don’t know ... maybe generate the data and publications you need to engage customers , manage and develop clinical studies and translate that into a scientific stories that airhead kinesiology majors in sales , can understand and not send us into a CIA.

Want me to go on ? You work for a pharma company . Science and medicine are the backbone. No science , no pipeline, nothing for you to sell .

well said
 






Oh I don’t know ... maybe generate the data and publications you need to engage customers , manage and develop clinical studies and translate that into a scientific stories that airhead kinesiology majors in sales , can understand and not send us into a CIA.

Want me to go on ? You work for a pharma company . Science and medicine are the backbone. No science , no pipeline, nothing for you to sell .

Whatever. We did this shit as reps at Baxalta and it was allowed. We had no CIA because we did it the right way. medical affairs is dumb. I can google the same articles you share with doctors. So can they by the way
 


















Whatever. We did this shit as reps at Baxalta and it was allowed. We had no CIA because we did it the right way. medical affairs is dumb. I can google the same articles you share with doctors. So can they by the way

And how do those articles "magically" appear in google, PubMed, journals etc? Who writes them? How is data collected and generated? You are a bozo.

By the way, are you an MD/PHD/PharmD ? Are you telling me you are so arrogant that you can speak to the articles without the vast amounts of sales training not only on the disease state and data---but anything else science oriented? You all BEG for new publications and data to keep your conversations with physicians fresh and interesting. So you are very welcome, hotshot.

As a medical affairs member that has led sales training, you folks have zero idea of the science and clinical practice without having it spoon-fed to you.

You're a joke. Stop posting. You are simply embarrassing yourself.
 






And how do those articles "magically" appear in google, PubMed, journals etc? Who writes them? How is data collected and generated? You are a bozo.

By the way, are you an MD/PHD/PharmD ? Are you telling me you are so arrogant that you can speak to the articles without the vast amounts of sales training not only on the disease state and data---but anything else science oriented? You all BEG for new publications and data to keep your conversations with physicians fresh and interesting. So you are very welcome, hotshot.

As a medical affairs member that has led sales training, you folks have zero idea of the science and clinical practice without having it spoon-fed to you.

You're a joke. Stop posting. You are simply embarrassing yourself.


I’m an NP. And I did this for many years before getting into industry. I worked with medical affairs from numerous companies. Yes, physicians and hospitals need your grants, We all laughed when industry came to discuss studies. We know how to read them and the results.
 






And how do those articles "magically" appear in google, PubMed, journals etc? Who writes them? How is data collected and generated? You are a bozo.

By the way, are you an MD/PHD/PharmD ? Are you telling me you are so arrogant that you can speak to the articles without the vast amounts of sales training not only on the disease state and data---but anything else science oriented? You all BEG for new publications and data to keep your conversations with physicians fresh and interesting. So you are very welcome, hotshot.

As a medical affairs member that has led sales training, you folks have zero idea of the science and clinical practice without having it spoon-fed to you.

You're a joke. Stop posting. You are simply embarrassing yourself.

Sorry loser but there are Shire med affairs that got the job with phds. My doctors “really” respect that. Lol. You’re not needed. Go away
 






I’m an NP. And I did this for many years before getting into industry. I worked with medical affairs from numerous companies. Yes, physicians and hospitals need your grants, We all laughed when industry came to discuss studies. We know how to read them and the results.
Yet here you are selling out “patients” for the sweet pharma cash and decent work hours. Go away.

NP lolz!!! Not smart enough for med school.
 






Sorry loser but there are Shire med affairs that got the job with phds. My doctors “really” respect that. Lol. You’re not needed. Go away

Doctors respect anyone that can translate data at a high level.

Sales can’t

1. Because it’s illegal to discuss data without calling upon your MSL.

2. They don’t need a fashion and merchandising major telling them how to treat patients.

“My doctors.” LOLz!!! Keep carrying the bag straight to the unemployment line.