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That's the west exactly. Anyone who knew anything about California managed care and had contacts in the industry got the heck out after TB and MM showed up. MM & TB replaced those people with their failure beasties from sales. Not only do we not have anyone with real genuine contacts now, we don't have anyone as an influencer with real industry knowledge when it comes to managed care either. You would think TB and MM could at least negotiate a managed care contract. But they can't even do that. They have to contract that job out to KV the previous VP of Sales who was terminated for compliance issues. He is known for low ball unprofitable contracts going all the way back to his time at Quest, and continued that low ball contracting at Westcliff. These two deserve what they get, they both don't give a crap about clients, patients, or employees. They'll say anything anyone wants to hear. As long as they look good, they get a bonus, and they get promoted. The best thing California can hope for is their success so they can move on!