Wow- back at you. My manager is worthless. I'm actually thankful he doesn't micromanage. I will never bring him into an important meeting or account because I'm embarrassed by his lack of ability to communicate effectively and stay on the topic we are there to discuss. In over 5 years, we have never had a discussion on territory planning, business planning, career development, how to improve any kind of strategy or what that strategy might be. When I used to ask his opinion or advice, I would get a quote that was irrelevant and I'd have to listen to him ramble for 30 minutes about how that quote ties into my current situation. I've found success by bypassing him and going to real people who can answer my questions or give me solid advice. Ineffective DMs are irrelevant. Unfortunately, the majority of them are ineffective. My division is proof we don't need a DM to be successful. Out with all of you!!!