Just got put on a PIP!!

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Anonymous said:
Find something quick. You're on your way out, like it or not. Nearly impossible to even get an interview any where these days if you're currently unemployed.
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Well in over a decade in the sales force, I've seen people get off them, and others no. Don't know your situation - legit or not. Best thing is to work very hard to get yourself back in the good graces of your DM, RD or both. At the same time, start looking. Also covet your personal days and sick time you'll need them for interviews. They can deny vacation requests, but not those.
 












My sincere empathy sent your way....

There are lots of threads about this, letters of concern, and warning letters on here. Go with your gut, you'll never have any regrets. Having said that, give this some real thought and research before deciding on your path.
I was put in this situation wrongfully (anyone can say what they want but i know the truth-I didn't deserve it-period). I had a base over 100K and won every possible accolade. I was sure I could beat it, prove my managers wrong, put this in the past. i was wrong. The process was a nightmare, I became a different person while fighting to prove the truth and knowing that who I was deep down MUST come to be-eventually.
I wish I could go back to where you are and just move on and find a job where I was appreciated and accepted while I was still my strong and worthy self.
Good luck.
 






Anonymous said:
Manager told me that this is a tool to help motivate me and get my numbers up. I was completely caught off guard about it. What should I do? Help!
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Forest managers do this because it's their way of showing upper management they are managing for success and they don't know any other way to contribute to your business results. It's pathetic but this is what happens when you get inexperienced leadership from the top down that don't really know how to grow a territory - so they squeeze people out on a regular basis thinking that replacing you will turn the numbers around. In 30 years of B2B sales I've never seen such retarted logic; but that's Forest Pharmaceuticals
 






Anonymous said:
Forest managers do this because it's their way of showing upper management they are managing for success and they don't know any other way to contribute to your business results. It's pathetic but this is what happens when you get inexperienced leadership from the top down that don't really know how to grow a territory - so they squeeze people out on a regular basis thinking that replacing you will turn the numbers around. In 30 years of B2B sales I've never seen such retarted logic; but that's Forest Pharmaceuticals
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Yes. It's a poor tactic. I've seen them squeez many people. Even me once. I beat it with the help of sleepless nights, anxiety meds and too much alcohol. It was a nightmare. I seem to have come out the other side though. Others however were not so lucky. They left to be replaced by the new hire who of course was the answer to everything. Until the honeymoon was over, no change in the territory, and they were getting the heat turned up on them.
 






Manage up (promote) manage out (pip) that's Frx in a nutshell! Nobody believes they should be on a pip but when it happens the rule of thumb is you are done. Call every recruiter and apply for every job in your area, your full time job must be to interview and get a new one. Forest is a good starter company with solid training go elswhere believe me the grass will be greener 100% of the time!
 


















To straight with you...they always tell you it's to help you, they can't say it to run you out. Do your best to get your number up but I would start looking for a job if I were you.
 






I got put on a LOC last year and tried for two months to get on my manager's good graces. The field contacts became more frequent and were always negative. My manager became a dick and nitpicked over everything. So I started looking. Found a job with a small Med device company and stopped working for Forest. However, I didnt quit Forest. I let them put me through a LOW, probabtion and finally they fired me. I got about another 7 months from Forest while working with my new company. It was awesome. F-U forest.
 






As a person who worked at Forest for a while and has now been at another company for a while, I can honestly say it is night and day. When you leave Forest, its almost like leaving an abusive relationship. You are so beaten down and demotivated that when you join a company that actually gives a crap about their reps and you have a manager that truly has your best interests in mind, you don't believe it at first. Id encourage anyone still at that sinking ship to get the hell out of there, unless you are one of the goading, belittling, half-wit Napolean-complex DMs, in which case my only advice is, "go f*ck yourself."
 






Anonymous said:
As a person who worked at Forest for a while and has now been at another company for a while, I can honestly say it is night and day. When you leave Forest, its almost like leaving an abusive relationship. You are so beaten down and demotivated that when you join a company that actually gives a crap about their reps and you have a manager that truly has your best interests in mind, you don't believe it at first. Id encourage anyone still at that sinking ship to get the hell out of there, unless you are one of the goading, belittling, half-wit Napolean-complex DMs, in which case my only advice is, "go f*ck yourself."
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the glory hole managers here belong in a fast food chain
 






Anonymous said:
Manager told me that this is a tool to help motivate me and get my numbers up. I was completely caught off guard about it. What should I do? Help!
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The dreaded PIP, Pharmas way of allowing incompetent managers control over you. They are a joke and should be illegal. Most managers I know in the business could not write a decent PIP if their life depended on it.
 












Time to move on period...its the Forest way. Funny when the replacements suck and they realize they screwed up running s good rep out. Happens all the time. What's the DMs excuse then?
 






They are doing you a favor. Just milk it til they fire you, continue to look for another job, maybe collect a little in employment if you don't find a job before you get fired. Your life will be so much better when your out of this job and company. You will probably text the cock sucker that's trying to get rid of you now in about a year and thank him because you won't be miserable anymore. Please go get another job, they are out there.
 






Anonymous said:
As a person who worked at Forest for a while and has now been at another company for a while, I can honestly say it is night and day. When you leave Forest, its almost like leaving an abusive relationship. You are so beaten down and demotivated that when you join a company that actually gives a crap about their reps and you have a manager that truly has your best interests in mind, you don't believe it at first. Id encourage anyone still at that sinking ship to get the hell out of there, unless you are one of the goading, belittling, half-wit Napolean-complex DMs, in which case my only advice is, "go f*ck yourself."
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Had the same experience as above. I still can't believe how poorly you get treated. Never slept so well since I fired that idiot frx manager. Amazing how much that one change improved all aspect$ of my life.
 






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