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I am just curious about all of the running off of tenured reps going on. Is this isolated to a couple of states, or is this company wide??? I have seen several good reps run off and I am curious to what you guys think about it. I have a thought... Say you have a team of 4. Say Rep A = 3 years at Forest, Rep B = 6 years at Forest, Rep C = 9, and Rep D = 15. That's a total of 33 years of experience.

Now, lets say you run of some in the course of 2 years. Rep A = 5 years now, but B, C, and D. have been hired in those two years. B and C now have 2 years of experience and Rep D has 1 year.
Your New Territory now has 10 years of experience.

They have reduced the territory's experience level 22 years.

I wonder if this is a prerequisite to the layoffs coming around the corner??? I mean, you not only reduce the amount of money being paid to a territory substantially, but you also soften any severance payout those tenured reps would have been paid for years of service when the crap hits the fan.

How many territories out there are having their tenured reps run off?????
 






You are exactly correct. Forest is not dumb, they are trying to save money. Most pharma companies as a rule have offered a severance based on tenure. I don't see why Forest would be any different. Now the only difference in your case though is the really old reps, they are going nowhere, they are more or less Grandfathered in. The company will pay them what they are owed as they should. But, poor middle of the road tenured reps, if you are within 4 years or so, you are safe, if you are 15 plus, you are safe, heck, there are only a handful of those.

But between 4 and 15 years, you are screwed!!!!!!! I barely fall in that category, but I am trying to do all of the right things to hang on. My idiot manager is trying to do crap to others to get them out of her though. They should cut him and save money that way, but brother in St Louis will save him.

I cant wait to see a commercial on TV one day... Are you unemployed??? Did you work for Forest Pharmaceuticals??? If so, call the law office of Lynch, Spivey and Reed. We will help you settle your wrongful termination case. Don't be intimidated any longer, call today!!!
 












Anonymous said:
I am just curious about all of the running off of tenured reps going on. Is this isolated to a couple of states, or is this company wide??? I have seen several good reps run off and I am curious to what you guys think about it. I have a thought... Say you have a team of 4. Say Rep A = 3 years at Forest, Rep B = 6 years at Forest, Rep C = 9, and Rep D = 15. That's a total of 33 years of experience.

Now, lets say you run of some in the course of 2 years. Rep A = 5 years now, but B, C, and D. have been hired in those two years. B and C now have 2 years of experience and Rep D has 1 year.
Your New Territory now has 10 years of experience.

They have reduced the territory's experience level 22 years.

I wonder if this is a prerequisite to the layoffs coming around the corner??? I mean, you not only reduce the amount of money being paid to a territory substantially, but you also soften any severance payout those tenured reps would have been paid for years of service when the crap hits the fan.

How many territories out there are having their tenured reps run off?????
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Good thought - you very well could be right, however, since Forest has so much money in the bank I'm still convinced the reason tenured reps get pushed out is because their knowledge and experience challenges the inexperienced DM's and they can't handle it.

Most of the Forest DM's get promoted for the wrong reason and all they want is to climb the ladder. The problem is they don't know what to do to accomplish this so they create the illusion of progress by firing people.
 






Anonymous said:
Good thought - you very well could be right, however, since Forest has so much money in the bank I'm still convinced the reason tenured reps get pushed out is because their knowledge and experience challenges the inexperienced DM's and they can't handle it.

Most of the Forest DM's get promoted for the wrong reason and all they want is to climb the ladder. The problem is they don't know what to do to accomplish this so they create the illusion of progress by firing people.
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So true. Look at teams in Texas. 20+ years of tenure pushed out every quarter in the past year. Horrific DM's who could not sell but could kiss butt like nobody's business and wind up fast tracking from rep to rst to dm in a matter of months not years.

Forest problem is they want sheep not leaders. They want kool-aid drinkers. NOT good managers.

Personally speaking...I left after 5 years because I could not take the overbearing DM who lied and cheated and threw every rep under the bus and a back stabbing former partner who LOVED the kool aid that she was fed from the DM's and learned to go from a stripper to a rep to a Spec to RST to a DM in less than 3 years...This place is a joke run by idiots in NY who have no cares about the field...only fattening their pockets.
 






Why in the hell do you fools need tenure. You're not professors for gods sake you are glorified pizza delivery people. Get real you all should be fired and on the streets to fend for yourselves. Get over yourselves.
 






Anonymous said:
Why in the hell do you fools need tenure. You're not professors for gods sake you are glorified pizza delivery people. Get real you all should be fired and on the streets to fend for yourselves. Get over yourselves.
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Because jackass, at one time loyalty meant something to Forest. Anyone who has loyalty is getting burned. That leaves dumbasses like you for the future of Forest. Good luck with that attitude, and I am sure it will get you everywhere!
 






Anonymous said:
Why in the hell do you fools need tenure. You're not professors for gods sake you are glorified pizza delivery people. Get real you all should be fired and on the streets to fend for yourselves. Get over yourselves.
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Because tenure normally means experience and experience normally means you know what you're doing - numbnuts.
 
























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Right it takes experience to order lunch and ask an MD for a signature. Who are you kidding?
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If only that was what you were evaluated on! Unfortunately your evals are based on a bunch of unrealistic BS (like you're really going to get a 3 product detail in hallway) and subjective BS that your mgr comes up with!
 


















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