I wonder when Merck will copy?













Merck announced months ago that it was converting its traditional pension to a cash balance plan. That transition is going until 2018 or 19, I can't remember exactly. Most realize that the conversion was the first step to ending the pension - EXACTLY as Pfizer did several years ago. Now that Pfizer's other shoe has dropped it should be clear to all that Merck's will as well.

Most companies cannot end their pensions full-stop as to do so they need to be fully funded for all present and future obligations. The conversion process is how they devalue future obligations and the end of the process usually marks when it will be fully funded and ended full-stop.

Be well.
 




Merck announced months ago that it was converting its traditional pension to a cash balance plan. That transition is going until 2018 or 19, I can't remember exactly. Most realize that the conversion was the first step to ending the pension - EXACTLY as Pfizer did several years ago. Now that Pfizer's other shoe has dropped it should be clear to all that Merck's will as well.

Most companies cannot end their pensions full-stop as to do so they need to be fully funded for all present and future obligations. The conversion process is how they devalue future obligations and the end of the process usually marks when it will be fully funded and ended full-stop.

Be well.

So, are you saying that the conversion does not take effect until 2018 or 2019?
And what would happen for those who retire before this date? Thanks.
 








So, are you saying that the conversion does not take effect until 2018 or 2019?
And what would happen for those who retire before this date? Thanks.

I'm pretty sure the 'transition' period begins 7/1/12 but for a few years you will get the 'better' of the two formulas. In 2018 or 2019 the transition is over and time will tell if they just stick with a cash balance plan or end it totally.

I'm honestly not sure what would happen if you retired during the transition. I would get the memo, your current pension statement and head to a good financial advisor. Everything I've read about these conversions is that people closest to retirement have the most to lose but I don't know how the transition period might help people who retire while it's playing out.

Good luck!
 




This industry has followed a "monkey-see, monkey-do" model for 30 years. Pfizer and Merck have become so similar only a high-level insider would be able to discern them. One wonders why each of these top-ten pharmas have individual, over-compensated CEOs and BODs. They might better just collectively outsource this role to one single CEO or BOD for the lot of them. They used to be techs and were largely valued on growth. Now they are more like utilities or consumer products companies - merely pretending to be techs. In fact almost no so-called tech company is as low tech as a pharma. The discrepancy between what is technically achievable by applying known science and engineering and what is actually being done is massive. Electronics, chemistry, plastics, food science, materials science - arguably automobiles and even now construction - have all become significantly more high tech than the relatively backwards pharma. A lot of this has to do with the risk-averse regulatory environment; some of it has to do with the scientific neanderthals running the companies and the regulators. In short, whatever a Pfizer elects to do to make it through another year pretending to be great and powerful, Merck will emulate within months, and vice versa. But none of these marginal cosmetic changes will fundamentally break the inevitable trend to failure.
 




There were several emails sent out at the beginning of the year discussing the changes to the pension plan and a video that you could watch at your leisure that discussed the changes.

The pension plan will change to a cash balance beginning on 1/1/2013. Until 1/1/2018, you will receive the greater of the 2 plans value. At that time, it will ALL revert to the cash balance plan - age + yrs of service + 8% - or something to that effect.

I believe that all of this information is still available on comm central. Hope that this is helpful.
 




There were several emails sent out at the beginning of the year discussing the changes to the pension plan and a video that you could watch at your leisure that discussed the changes.

The pension plan will change to a cash balance beginning on 1/1/2013. Until 1/1/2018, you will receive the greater of the 2 plans value. At that time, it will ALL revert to the cash balance plan - age + yrs of service + 8% - or something to that effect.

I believe that all of this information is still available on comm central. Hope that this is helpful.

"At that time".........what time? January 2012 or 2018?

Sounds like the older employees with less years of serve will take a big hit.
How are you figuring this?
For example.....100K - (age, 55) = 45??? + service (say, 7) = 52
+ 8% = 56 ????????? vs 100K?
Correct me, clarify.
 




"At that time".........what time? January 2012 or 2018?

Sounds like the older employees with less years of serve will take a big hit.
How are you figuring this?
For example.....100K - (age, 55) = 45??? + service (say, 7) = 52
+ 8% = 56 ????????? vs 100K?
Correct me, clarify.

They will calculate the value under the old and new plan from 1/1/13 thru 12/31/17 and give you the higher number. On 1/1/18 you will get the cash balance formula only - no choice. The slyness of this method is that legislative changes took effect this year that effect the 'old' formula so it's not what you think now, anyway.

This is a highly complex change. Here are a few websites that will help with the questions. One thing to remember is that these moves are made so the company has to pay less. Keep that in mind and you'll realize just about everyone is going to get less, no matter what they say about the 'better' of the two formulas.

http://www.bls.gov/opub/cwc/cm20030917ar01p1.htm

http://www.dol.gov/ebsa/FAQs/faq_consumer_cashbalanceplans.html
 




This industry has followed a "monkey-see, monkey-do" model for 30 years. Pfizer and Merck have become so similar only a high-level insider would be able to discern them. One wonders why each of these top-ten pharmas have individual, over-compensated CEOs and BODs. They might better just collectively outsource this role to one single CEO or BOD for the lot of them. They used to be techs and were largely valued on growth. Now they are more like utilities or consumer products companies - merely pretending to be techs. In fact almost no so-called tech company is as low tech as a pharma. The discrepancy between what is technically achievable by applying known science and engineering and what is actually being done is massive. Electronics, chemistry, plastics, food science, materials science - arguably automobiles and even now construction - have all become significantly more high tech than the relatively backwards pharma. A lot of this has to do with the risk-averse regulatory environment; some of it has to do with the scientific neanderthals running the companies and the regulators. In short, whatever a Pfizer elects to do to make it through another year pretending to be great and powerful, Merck will emulate within months, and vice versa. But none of these marginal cosmetic changes will fundamentally break the inevitable trend to failure.

Failure for employees, payors, and patients...The executives running the company using it as their own piggy bank, don't fail...Everyone else does...

Pharma is indeed backwards...when they started to hire ex cheerleaders with "bolt-on" aftermarket boobs, instead of selling science, they decided to sell sex...

Voila...a failing company and industry is what you have...

FU MERCK!
 




"At that time".........what time? January 2012 or 2018?

Sounds like the older employees with less years of serve will take a big hit.
How are you figuring this?
For example.....100K - (age, 55) = 45??? + service (say, 7) = 52
+ 8% = 56 ????????? vs 100K?
Correct me, clarify.

Sorry for the confusion - The new plan that takes effect on 1/1/2013 is age + yrs of service and then 8% of your salary. This will be the new plan that you don't have an option for beginning on 1/1/2018. Until 2018, whichever plan would pay you the most (if you're older with the company with years of service - usually greater than 10 - you would benefit the most from the older plan. Moving forward, new hires after 1/1/2013 will not have the option of the old plan. Hope that helps.

And yes - the older employees with years of service will take a big hit - that is why you will see more and more opt for "retirement" and move to another company. Remember - after age 55, you can take your "pension" with you.