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Great explanation for how we got Obamacare -

"The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry capable of
entrusting a man like him with the presidency. It will be easier to
limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than to restore the
necessary common sense and good judgment to an electorate willing to
have such a man for their president. The problem is much deeper and
far more serious than Mr. Obama, who is a mere symptom of what ails
us. Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the
vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince. The republic can
survive a Barack Obama. It is less likely to survive a multitude of
fools such as those who made him their president." -- Author Unknown

Actually as I think about it - many of the "fools" had fiqured it out and that is why it took sheer force and political gimmicks to get it passed. It still explains how we got him as President though.
 






Americans are amongst the most stupid educated people on the planet. We already know that. No secret. Most americans have no forethought of things to come. Almost like dogs. If the TV still works and there's a six pack in the fridge all is well. So what do you expect?

We have already seen that the dems and repugs make up a one-party system. If the dems are short a few votes on major legislation a few repugs are selected to fill the void. And vice-versa. You witnessed how the repugs failed the nation from 2001-2006 when they held the executive office and the majority in both houses. So the dems promised you change - you elect them - and you only get more of the same. If Bush were still in office he would be doing exactly what Obama is doing today.

I told you over and over again....health care reform had little or nothing to do with health care. The dems simply saw an opening to steal more money from the american people to divy up between their corporate pig sugar daddies and the industrial gubmint complex. And they shoved it down your throat.

It's not about you, my friend. It's about THEM! It's about maintaining the power to screw you over using trickery and deceit.

And your neighbors fall for it every stinking time.

That's just the way it is.

Easier to accept it than to fight it.

Learn from human history.
 






Anonymous said:
Great explanation for how we got Obamacare -

"The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry capable of
entrusting a man like him with the presidency. It will be easier to
limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than to restore the
necessary common sense and good judgment to an electorate willing to
have such a man for their president. The problem is much deeper and
far more serious than Mr. Obama, who is a mere symptom of what ails
us. Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the
vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince. The republic can
survive a Barack Obama. It is less likely to survive a multitude of
fools such as those who made him their president." -- Author Unknown

Actually as I think about it - many of the "fools" had fiqured it out and that is why it took sheer force and political gimmicks to get it passed. It still explains how we got him as President though.
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This is just a lot of partisan name calling. We had maybe a dozen or so choices narrowed down to two. Of the democrats who ran, Obama was second or third best in my view. On an issues only basis, Kucinich had the best policies. Unfortunately, too many were hung up on his looks and the media was dismissive of him. Second best (policy-wise) was John Edwards. Yes, I know his affair was a bad thing, but remember, it was not public at the time (and I'm just looking at policy positions). After Edwards, I thought Obama was best. Hillary was just too beligerent for my taste (telling Iran that the US should obliterate them was pretty scary in my view).

On the republican side, Ron Paul was the best, in terms of policy, hands down, and with no other republican coming close. But, the media (along with the push polls and computerized voting machines) sunk his chances. All the rest of the republicans were just too scary (wanting more torture, more war and less civil liberties).

In the end it was Obama versus McCain, and McCain's behavior was so erratic in the end, while the economy was crashing and burning, that Obama seemed the logical choice. Then there was the disaster that was Sarah Palin. It seemed to me that a lot of people who might have voted for McCain were turned off by his choice of Sarah Palin (an obvious narcissitic idiot).

Were Americans foolish here? I don't think so. I would have preferred Kucinich versus Paul, but the media really mess up the messages that Americans receive. Still, even with the media interference, I think Americans made a not terrible choice.

My objection to Obama is that too many of his policies are the same as Bush's.
 






The problem with the system is that all the politicians are owned by one interest group or another. None make decisions based on the best interests of those who elect them to office. And as we've seen with Obama, few keep the promises that they make to us when campaigning for office. It is a massive breakdown in the fundamentals (representative democracy) that are supposed to guide and protect our nation.

Let me give you an example. If you gave me a wad of cash (or your support to elevate me to a position of power) and in return for that wad of cash (or endorsement) I promised to give you something or to render a specific timely service for you - and after you gave me what you delivered your part of the bargain I flipped you the bird, what would you do? You'd be pretty hot under the collar and probably take some sort of action to make things right, eh?

Yet politicians can routinely betray you and your hands are tied. Oh sure, you can wait 4 years to vote them out of office but by that time all the damage is done. Bush will eventually write a book and make millions. He's already raking in big speaker fees. Look at Obama. In 1 year and 4 months has already told countless lies and betrayed those who voted for him. Look at the damage caused by the latest lie - offshore drilling. He promised his backers that he would oppose offshore drilling. Yet he gave offshore drilling his full support and endorsement in the pending environmental legislation in congress. In fact, he's the one who demanded the inclusion of offshore drilling in the bill! Now look at what we are facing. An unprecedented catastrophe with underground oil leaks that the geniuses who mess with mother nature cannot plug! Whatever man touches eventually turns to shit. Now watch Obama backpedal.

The system has gone awry. Politicians get greased by the corporations and you get caught holding the bag. They hand you the invoice. Each and every time. Especially when SHTF.

So your job is to detect and screen out the liars on election day? What happens when all of them turn out to be liars? Then what do you do? I've checked my representative democracy operator's manual. Nothing listed.
 






Anonymous said:
This is just a lot of partisan name calling. We had maybe a dozen or so choices narrowed down to two. Of the democrats who ran, Obama was second or third best in my view. On an issues only basis, Kucinich had the best policies. Unfortunately, too many were hung up on his looks and the media was dismissive of him. Second best (policy-wise) was John Edwards. Yes, I know his affair was a bad thing, but remember, it was not public at the time (and I'm just looking at policy positions). After Edwards, I thought Obama was best. Hillary was just too beligerent for my taste (telling Iran that the US should obliterate them was pretty scary in my view).

On the republican side, Ron Paul was the best, in terms of policy, hands down, and with no other republican coming close. But, the media (along with the push polls and computerized voting machines) sunk his chances. All the rest of the republicans were just too scary (wanting more torture, more war and less civil liberties).

In the end it was Obama versus McCain, and McCain's behavior was so erratic in the end, while the economy was crashing and burning, that Obama seemed the logical choice. Then there was the disaster that was Sarah Palin. It seemed to me that a lot of people who might have voted for McCain were turned off by his choice of Sarah Palin (an obvious narcissitic idiot).

Were Americans foolish here? I don't think so. I would have preferred Kucinich versus Paul, but the media really mess up the messages that Americans receive. Still, even with the media interference, I think Americans made a not terrible choice.

My objection to Obama is that too many of his policies are the same as Bush's.
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While I disagree with Kucinich on many issues, I always respected his consistent positions. That changed after his short ride aboard Air Force One. He caved like a house of cards. Just another politician whose vote can be easily bought.
 






If you want a short 4 minute description of the state of the nation and where you stand in the big scheme of things I suggest you google 'George Carlin, youtube, it's a big club' and watch him. He will pretty much tell you everything you need to know. No need to read a 400 page book. Just listen to George. He's gone now, God bless his soul. And it's damned hard to find a man nowadays who is so succinct and on-point. And not only did he tell us the truth, he made us laugh at the same time. Genius. Pure genius. Take 4 minutes of your life and watch him.
 






That the USA is having problems with medical care delivery and cost is universally accepted. Arguments are heated, angry, and even insulting. Whether or not we are having problems with quality of care is up for debate. Be all that as it may the real underlying task is to recognize and then evaluate all parameters involved in medical care.
The first part, recognition of the parameters, is easy. We can think in terms of the following tabulation:
1. Pharmaceutical products: development and sales.
2. Pharmacies and other modes of distribution.
3. Durable medical supply and distribution.
4. Healthcare delivery by doctors and other personnel.
5. Payers: Private insurance, government insurance, or private payers.
6. Hospitals: Corporate owned, physician owned, or government run.
7. Outpatient facilities: Corporate owned or physician owned.
With these components of medical care delivery in mind, the next logical task is look at the balance of that all-important quality, motivation: Ask what is motivating the people involved and then allocate a score for each component somewhere between profiteering at one end and altruism at the other.
Reasonable people argue that free of charge altruism can be detrimental, whether it is a loving parent spoiling a child or an enabling government stifling responsibility. Reasonable people argue that profiteering is dragging our medical care delivery system onto the bare bones of its knees. We need honest efficiency without greed, and united we can stand.
With this simple balance in mind, the three questions we now ask ourselves are 1) can we trim our healthcare delivery into a more efficient system, 2) can we actually do better with less, and 3) will this trimming contribute significantly to curing the financial woes of our country? The answers are yes, yes, and definitely, yes.
Filling in the gaps may take some thought, but (besides those unethically profiteering) we can agree.
Take back responsibility.
Dr. Mannie
 






drmannie said:
That the USA is having problems with medical care delivery and cost is universally accepted. Arguments are heated, angry, and even insulting. Whether or not we are having problems with quality of care is up for debate. Be all that as it may the real underlying task is to recognize and then evaluate all parameters involved in medical care.
The first part, recognition of the parameters, is easy. We can think in terms of the following tabulation:
1. Pharmaceutical products: development and sales.
2. Pharmacies and other modes of distribution.
3. Durable medical supply and distribution.
4. Healthcare delivery by doctors and other personnel.
5. Payers: Private insurance, government insurance, or private payers.
6. Hospitals: Corporate owned, physician owned, or government run.
7. Outpatient facilities: Corporate owned or physician owned.
With these components of medical care delivery in mind, the next logical task is look at the balance of that all-important quality, motivation: Ask what is motivating the people involved and then allocate a score for each component somewhere between profiteering at one end and altruism at the other.
Reasonable people argue that free of charge altruism can be detrimental, whether it is a loving parent spoiling a child or an enabling government stifling responsibility. Reasonable people argue that profiteering is dragging our medical care delivery system onto the bare bones of its knees. We need honest efficiency without greed, and united we can stand.
With this simple balance in mind, the three questions we now ask ourselves are 1) can we trim our healthcare delivery into a more efficient system, 2) can we actually do better with less, and 3) will this trimming contribute significantly to curing the financial woes of our country? The answers are yes, yes, and definitely, yes.
Filling in the gaps may take some thought, but (besides those unethically profiteering) we can agree.
Take back responsibility.
Dr. Mannie
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Dr. Mannie

How do you propose that we achieve your three objectives? My guess is that your answer will somehow include government intervention... Because as you know, ONLY government can cure that which harms us. ONLY government can fix that which is broken. ONLY government can create a Utopia..... right?
 






drmannie said:
That the USA is having problems with medical care delivery and cost is universally accepted. Arguments are heated, angry, and even insulting. Whether or not we are having problems with quality of care is up for debate. Be all that as it may the real underlying task is to recognize and then evaluate all parameters involved in medical care.
The first part, recognition of the parameters, is easy. We can think in terms of the following tabulation:
1. Pharmaceutical products: development and sales.
2. Pharmacies and other modes of distribution.
3. Durable medical supply and distribution.
4. Healthcare delivery by doctors and other personnel.
5. Payers: Private insurance, government insurance, or private payers.
6. Hospitals: Corporate owned, physician owned, or government run.
7. Outpatient facilities: Corporate owned or physician owned.
With these components of medical care delivery in mind, the next logical task is look at the balance of that all-important quality, motivation: Ask what is motivating the people involved and then allocate a score for each component somewhere between profiteering at one end and altruism at the other.
Reasonable people argue that free of charge altruism can be detrimental, whether it is a loving parent spoiling a child or an enabling government stifling responsibility. Reasonable people argue that profiteering is dragging our medical care delivery system onto the bare bones of its knees. We need honest efficiency without greed, and united we can stand.
With this simple balance in mind, the three questions we now ask ourselves are 1) can we trim our healthcare delivery into a more efficient system, 2) can we actually do better with less, and 3) will this trimming contribute significantly to curing the financial woes of our country? The answers are yes, yes, and definitely, yes.
Filling in the gaps may take some thought, but (besides those unethically profiteering) we can agree.
Take back responsibility.
Dr. Mannie
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BINGO!!!! For example, Medicare just RAISED the reimbursement allowable for a durable medical device I sell. Boss just sent out a memo that we should "expect our quotas to go up" because of the increase! It's out of hand!
 






Anonymous said:
Americans are amongst the most stupid educated people on the planet. We already know that. No secret. Most americans have no forethought of things to come. Almost like dogs. If the TV still works and there's a six pack in the fridge all is well. So what do you expect?

We have already seen that the dems and repugs make up a one-party system. If the dems are short a few votes on major legislation a few repugs are selected to fill the void. And vice-versa. You witnessed how the repugs failed the nation from 2001-2006 when they held the executive office and the majority in both houses. So the dems promised you change - you elect them - and you only get more of the same. If Bush were still in office he would be doing exactly what Obama is doing today.

I told you over and over again....health care reform had little or nothing to do with health care. The dems simply saw an opening to steal more money from the american people to divy up between their corporate pig sugar daddies and the industrial gubmint complex. And they shoved it down your throat.

It's not about you, my friend. It's about THEM! It's about maintaining the power to screw you over using trickery and deceit.

And your neighbors fall for it every stinking time.

That's just the way it is.

Easier to accept it than to fight it.

Learn from human history.
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So, I guess we will end up like Africa and the Middle East....right? Hey Einstein....the USA is still the greatest country in the world. We help more people than anyone else, do we make mistakes? Of course we do...if you don't like it here, leave or roll up your sleeves and make a difference (a good one would be nice)! Have a productive day!!
 






This situation has been a long time coming. There's tons of blame to spread around. We were warned that we were headed this direction ages ago but those who said it were called profits of doom and kooks. As someone dependant on Medicare and Medicaid, I have watched my level and quality of care drop to the point where I am refused inexpensive treatment because I am told I am not a good investment. That's a hell of a thing to tell a fellow human. I think it will take a miracle to prevent us from becoming one big third world nation. We are no longer a producing nation and have become a consuming nation. Sadly, we are gluttons after years of abundance. We owe soooo much money internationally, but let a crisis occur, we are expected to fund the cure. Too bad we can't call in the debt we are holding on other countries who are in better financial shape than we are.
 












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