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What is the policy for giving employee verification and reference? I left on very bad terms and am afraid i will get a bad reference. Do they just stick to dates of service and salary like most large companies or will they divulge if you were let go/fired? I heard they would be afraid of getting sued.
 
















Company is only allowed by law to verify/disclose dates of employment.

Also sometimes they will verify a salary range if given the salary range.

They cannot disclose a termination.
 




Anonymous said:
Company is only allowed by law to verify/disclose dates of employment.

Also sometimes they will verify a salary range if given the salary range.

They cannot disclose a termination.
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Because firms have been sued by people who discovered that they were given poor recommendations, many organizations refuse to supply information without a signed statement from the former employee. Even then, many are reluctant to put an evaluation in writing or release much information over the phone. Most HR departments will only verify that the individual was employed during a specific time at a particular salary or salary rate.

To get in-depth information about the quality or quantity of the employee's work, a potential employer will try to contact the supervisors, clients, and colleagues in the industry, but "always" with the permission of the employee.

I hope this helps.
 




I was told they cannot even say whether or not you had a good standing at the company. Only dates of employment.

That is why you are supposed to keep a brag book. That is to document your successes because companies do not want to get involved. No one in HR will expose themselves to an ex-employee looking for a new job elsewhere by "taddling" on them.

When you interview for a new job and someone asks you questions, they cannot have access to any of your previous employer's files. Dates of hire, termination, that should be it.
 




Guarantee- you will be getting all sorts of feedback about what can/cannot be disclosed by HR depts. Most of those responding probably have not had the experience dealing with a previous company providing negative employment information on someone. I have; and recorded an HR employees conversation years back, and consulted with an employment attorney. This is what I learned. First of all, it can vary from state to state, the regulations on HR employee disclosure information. I have heard that the pharm. industry is relunctant to diclose too much info. (I've been in the business for over 13 years) beside dates of employment. However, a company is legally able to disclose whether a person was terminated "for cause" (code word for fired, but will usually not provide any details about the reason for the termination), or whether the individual voluntarily quit the company. You should be fairly comfortable that HR will not disclose much, but they can and will disclose whether someone was terminated "for cause". That alone may be enough to keep another company from feeling comfortable about hiring someone who was fired. I would recommend that you have a good rehearsed story to overcome why you left the company. Good luck!
 




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Guarantee- you will be getting all sorts of feedback about what can/cannot be disclosed by HR depts. Most of those responding probably have not had the experience dealing with a previous company providing negative employment information on someone. I have; and recorded an HR employees conversation years back, and consulted with an employment attorney. This is what I learned. First of all, it can vary from state to state, the regulations on HR employee disclosure information. I have heard that the pharm. industry is relunctant to diclose too much info. (I've been in the business for over 13 years) beside dates of employment. However, a company is legally able to disclose whether a person was terminated "for cause" (code word for fired, but will usually not provide any details about the reason for the termination), or whether the individual voluntarily quit the company. You should be fairly comfortable that HR will not disclose much, but they can and will disclose whether someone was terminated "for cause". That alone may be enough to keep another company from feeling comfortable about hiring someone who was fired. I would recommend that you have a good rehearsed story to overcome why you left the company. Good luck!
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HR is a big bunch of ASS CLOWNS who sometimes follow the rules.
 




Anonymous said:
Guarantee- you will be getting all sorts of feedback about what can/cannot be disclosed by HR depts. Most of those responding probably have not had the experience dealing with a previous company providing negative employment information on someone. I have; and recorded an HR employees conversation years back, and consulted with an employment attorney. This is what I learned. First of all, it can vary from state to state, the regulations on HR employee disclosure information. I have heard that the pharm. industry is relunctant to diclose too much info. (I've been in the business for over 13 years) beside dates of employment. However, a company is legally able to disclose whether a person was terminated "for cause" (code word for fired, but will usually not provide any details about the reason for the termination), or whether the individual voluntarily quit the company. You should be fairly comfortable that HR will not disclose much, but they can and will disclose whether someone was terminated "for cause". That alone may be enough to keep another company from feeling comfortable about hiring someone who was fired. I would recommend that you have a good rehearsed story to overcome why you left the company. Good luck!
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This is a pretty good assessment from an HR perspective. Further to that, all an HR department can legally disclose is title, dates of employment, and salary (but not total compensation). Issues around state to state do vary and the company can legally disclose termination for gross misconduct if you file for unemployment, but in reality companies are too afraid they will get sued if they dislose more than that. Generally, if somebody in HR discloses more than they can legally, it's probably because they have a vendetta or are just plain sum. Termination for cause and termination for gross misconduct are different. For cause is when they can't really explain with concrete evidence and gross misconduct is when there ain't no doubt about it...even the biggest loser in the company agrees you screwed up big time.
 




Anonymous said:
This is a pretty good assessment from an HR perspective. Further to that, all an HR department can legally disclose is title, dates of employment, and salary (but not total compensation). Issues around state to state do vary and the company can legally disclose termination for gross misconduct if you file for unemployment, but in reality companies are too afraid they will get sued if they dislose more than that. Generally, if somebody in HR discloses more than they can legally, it's probably because they have a vendetta or are just plain sum. Termination for cause and termination for gross misconduct are different. For cause is when they can't really explain with concrete evidence and gross misconduct is when there ain't no doubt about it...even the biggest loser in the company agrees you screwed up big time.
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an HR dept can say anything that they please and use a tone to send it that will screw you. I used this service and it was great...good luck!


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Most companies will only give dates of employment, for legal reasons. I worked for a big Pharma company that only gave dates and would give salary info only if I sent in a signed consent.

Call in to your HR dept and ask them what they will tell a potential employer. I also got friends (acting as a potential employer) to call in for reference checks--again all they got was minimal info.
 




Anonymous said:
What is the policy for giving employee verification and reference? I left on very bad terms and am afraid i will get a bad reference. Do they just stick to dates of service and salary like most large companies or will they divulge if you were let go/fired? I heard they would be afraid of getting sued.
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Let's see....you left on very bad terms. Don't you think you deserve a bad reference? Even when companies provide just dates of service and salary, which they will do, when you are unable to provide your last boss as a reference for you, that says alot about you to NOT get you hired.
 




Anonymous said:
Company is only allowed by law to verify/disclose dates of employment.

Also sometimes they will verify a salary range if given the salary range.

They cannot disclose a termination.
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Yes they can!! I had an offer withdrawn due to a pharma company telling them in was fired. Not supposed to happen, but it does
 








Anonymous said:
What is the policy for giving employee verification and reference? I left on very bad terms and am afraid i will get a bad reference. Do they just stick to dates of service and salary like most large companies or will they divulge if you were let go/fired? I heard they would be afraid of getting sued.
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I left on bad terms from previous employer and landed new great gig! They only told dates of employment, salary and title.
 




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Let's see....you left on very bad terms. Don't you think you deserve a bad reference? Even when companies provide just dates of service and salary, which they will do, when you are unable to provide your last boss as a reference for you, that says alot about you to NOT get you hired.
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Not true!! My boss and I got fired from 2 managers above. Says we spent too much on a customer lunch?? Whatever. That boss has given me tons of good references. It was the companies way to not pay severence. I have had one company withdraw offer. And one fire me after I went through training due to my prior company HR dept telling them I was fired. They don't tell why unfortunately. I wish they did, because nothing was done wrong.
 




Anonymous said:
Not true!! My boss and I got fired from 2 managers above. Says we spent too much on a customer lunch?? Whatever. That boss has given me tons of good references. It was the companies way to not pay severence. I have had one company withdraw offer. And one fire me after I went through training due to my prior company HR dept telling them I was fired. They don't tell why unfortunately. I wish they did, because nothing was done wrong.
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A company can't legally tell anyone that they were fired. All they can do is verify your start and finish dates and that is a FACT. If that is what indeed happened to you and you have proof you can sue and would win. My husband is a lawyer and covers this area of employment.
 




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