Depuy Revision Sleeves recalled

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What do they have to sell that is not recalled? I have been selling ortho for decades and I have never seen a company with this many recalls at the same time. The Corail stem is suspect now. Why have a collar on this piece of dung when the Taperloc, M/L Tapers have done so well? If I was a DePuy rep, I would be real concerned. The patients ask the docs what hip they use.
 






A truly talented tka revision surgeon doesn't need cone/sleeves. Put bone chips or cement in the area. The space is taken up by either bone, bone cement or metal. With the metal, the surgeon may have to remove cancellous bone to fit the shape of the cone.
Also, I have not read any peer reviewed, consultantless, data showing increase in survivorship or knee scores.
 



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A truly talented tka revision surgeon doesn't need cone/sleeves. Put bone chips or cement in the area. The space is taken up by either bone, bone cement or metal. With the metal, the surgeon may have to remove cancellous bone to fit the shape of the cone.
Also, I have not read any peer reviewed, consultantless, data showing increase in survivorship or knee scores.
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That's not what is being talked about. These recalled sleeves work w the tumor prosthesis (diaphyseal bone).
 



read up before you go talking to your surgeons. This is the diaphyseal sleeve for the limb salvage prosthesis. This is not the metaphyseal sleeves used in knee revisions that you are thinking of.

I really hope you aren't telling a surgeon that a glob of bone cement or bone chips is a better option for him to address tibial defects than sleeves. Do you have any studies that show any increased survivorship with that method? Do you also tell your surgeons that they should address Acetabular defects with bone cement or bone chips versus putting in an Augment?
 



Anonymous said:
A truly talented tka revision surgeon doesn't need cone/sleeves. Put bone chips or cement in the area. The space is taken up by either bone, bone cement or metal. With the metal, the surgeon may have to remove cancellous bone to fit the shape of the cone.
Also, I have not read any peer reviewed, consultantless, data showing increase in survivorship or knee scores.
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I really hope you are not a recon rep. This is the dumbest post I have seen in a long time.
 






This thread is going down hill in a hurry. The DePuy sleeve recall on the LPS is not a big deal. Very few of those things implanted. What is a big deal for DePuy is the ASR/Pinnacle MOM problems. That being said....as an old Zimmer rep...I am very careful about going "Ha Ha Recall!". Because when I did that Zimmer had a recall. Recalls are a part of our business now.
 



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You guys truly are idiots. Read and you will find out its not the sleeves but a seldom used cone
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Does not matter much, all you have to do is mention RECALL in passing and the docs will think its what they have been using, at least they will "think" there might be a problem. Why do Depuy reps post here, they know they represent a piece of shit company? By the way, all the sleeves came from the LPS system, not Sigma, so you talk about how great they are and you use them on your Sigma revision knee.... they are not any different.
 



Anonymous said:
Does not matter much, all you have to do is mention RECALL in passing and the docs will think its what they have been using, at least they will "think" there might be a problem. Why do Depuy reps post here, they know they represent a piece of shit company? By the way, all the sleeves came from the LPS system, not Sigma, so you talk about how great they are and you use them on your Sigma revision knee.... they are not any different.
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Please stay classy Zimmer Representatives. DePuy is going through enough trouble right now and the doctors know it. You don't have to down grade them. Earn the business the right way.
 



The last poster just put a similar post in the Depuy section. The metaphyseal sleeves you keep bashing came from S-Rom knee. It sounds like you must have lost some business to them. I have already educated my surgeons using sleeves on what the recall was truly about. This way when reps like you come by and try to start stuff it will actually make you look bad and uneducated on your competitors product lines.
 



Anonymous said:
A truly talented tka revision surgeon doesn't need cone/sleeves. Put bone chips or cement in the area. The space is taken up by either bone, bone cement or metal. With the metal, the surgeon may have to remove cancellous bone to fit the shape of the cone.
Also, I have not read any peer reviewed, consultantless, data showing increase in survivorship or knee scores.
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Hope you are not a recon rep. That is the dumbest post I have ever seen.
 



Does not matter much, all you have to do is mention RECALL in passing and the docs will think its what they have been using, at least they will "think" there might be a problem. Why do Depuy reps post here, they know they represent a piece of shit company? By the way, all the sleeves came from the LPS system, not Sigma, so you talk about how great they are and you use them on your Sigma revision knee.... they are not any different.


I talked to a surgeon yesterday about the recall. I told him the entire history of sleeves and what was actually recalled. A competitive approached him in between cases today. I didn't hear the conversation but the surgeon told me after that he basically told the guy that if that was how he conducted business that he had no chance of his business. Not saying that will happen every time or even most of the time but I would be careful how you try to capitalize on this.
 



Anonymous said:
Does not matter much, all you have to do is mention RECALL in passing and the docs will think its what they have been using, at least they will "think" there might be a problem. Why do Depuy reps post here, they know they represent a piece of shit company? By the way, all the sleeves came from the LPS system, not Sigma, so you talk about how great they are and you use them on your Sigma revision knee.... they are not any different.


I talked to a surgeon yesterday about the recall. I told him the entire history of sleeves and what was actually recalled. A competitive approached him in between cases today. I didn't hear the conversation but the surgeon told me after that he basically told the guy that if that was how he conducted business that he had no chance of his business. Not saying that will happen every time or even most of the time but I would be careful how you try to capitalize on this.
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Dont talk to them just show them this site:
http://ryortho.com/breaking/fda-recalls-depuy-revision-knee-product/
 






You guys do realize what a Diaphyseal sleeve is right? This was used in a limited number of limb salvage cases. These were not the metaphyseal sleeves that are used in sigma revision knees, S-Rom hinge knees, or even most distal femur replacement cases. The metaphyseal sleeves that are used in those procedures have been around for a long time with a good track record. When you go to surgeons and try to create a problem with metaphyseal sleeves that is not there it will come back to bite you. If you use this same logic then Stryker surgeons shouldn't use any modular stems including restoration because they recalled rejuvenate. Zimmer surgeons shouldn't use trabecular metal in the knee because the low profile tibial base had serious issues. Smith and Nephew surgeons shouldn't use any oxinium knees because journey had so many problems and the press fit oxinium was recalled.
 



Anonymous said:
You guys do realize what a Diaphyseal sleeve is right? This was used in a limited number of limb salvage cases. These were not the metaphyseal sleeves that are used in sigma revision knees, S-Rom hinge knees, or even most distal femur replacement cases. The metaphyseal sleeves that are used in those procedures have been around for a long time with a good track record. When you go to surgeons and try to create a problem with metaphyseal sleeves that is not there it will come back to bite you. If you use this same logic then Stryker surgeons shouldn't use any modular stems including restoration because they recalled rejuvenate. Zimmer surgeons shouldn't use trabecular metal in the knee because the low profile tibial base had serious issues. Smith and Nephew surgeons shouldn't use any oxinium knees because journey had so many problems and the press fit oxinium was recalled.
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Will you just shut the hell up? Why are you being intelligent and informative in HERE? Please, know/respect your AUDIENCE and just start talking shit. Thanks.
 



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