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Rumor has it that STJ is changing their comp plan and their reps are none too thrilled. MDT clasically under-pays. It seems BSC is limiting EA's in some pockets and still giving them in others.

OK kids, apparently BIO and ELA are the only ones willing to pay decent money anymore. Good luck with that...
 






Rumor has it that STJ is changing their comp plan and their reps are none too thrilled. MDT clasically under-pays. It seems BSC is limiting EA's in some pockets and still giving them in others.

OK kids, apparently BIO and ELA are the only ones willing to pay decent money anymore. Good luck with that...

If BSC isn't renewing your EA, you better be looking for a job because you will be terminated in the not to distant future.
 












They can terminate you at anytime anyway. An EA is no security for you, just the company. Fact. Sorry.

You are a r*****! An EA is a binding contract. The only way the company can release you is if you break one of the clauses in the EA (e.g. You stole from the company or committed a crime etc). Likewise, an employee is obligated to the company for the remainder of the EA but there are ways to get out of one.
 






You are a r*****! An EA is a binding contract. The only way the company can release you is if you break one of the clauses in the EA (e.g. You stole from the company or committed a crime etc). Likewise, an employee is obligated to the company for the remainder of the EA but there are ways to get out of one.

Seriously, you don't think the company can get out of one. Many etc's. Please.
 






They can terminate you at anytime anyway. An EA is no security for you, just the company. Fact. Sorry.

You are missing the point. If they are not renewing your EA now, it means your future prospects post-EA are dim.

Miss plan in 2011 and you will be gone. "Maintainers" of high volume accounts will find their territories split for new hires identified as "up and comers". Under-performing veterans with high base salaries will terminated first.

On the other hand, if you are a high volume rep consistently over plan, why would you want an EA?

FCR's should be safe for ~2 years. At that point, Sr Management expects Latitude to have a significant impact on reducing clinical workload allowing a 50% reduction in force.
 






You are missing the point. If they are not renewing your EA now, it means your future prospects post-EA are dim.

Miss plan in 2011 and you will be gone. "Maintainers" of high volume accounts will find their territories split for new hires identified as "up and comers". Under-performing veterans with high base salaries will terminated first.

On the other hand, if you are a high volume rep consistently over plan, why would you want an EA?

FCR's should be safe for ~2 years. At that point, Sr Management expects Latitude to have a significant impact on reducing clinical workload allowing a 50% reduction in force.

Latitude and other remote f/up systems will never have a significant impact on clinical workload, it just brings more patients into the clinic with phantom problems and the docs want the dvc checked to cover their asses.
 






You are missing the point. If they are not renewing your EA now, it means your future prospects post-EA are dim.

Miss plan in 2011 and you will be gone. "Maintainers" of high volume accounts will find their territories split for new hires identified as "up and comers". Under-performing veterans with high base salaries will terminated first.

On the other hand, if you are a high volume rep consistently over plan, why would you want an EA?

FCR's should be safe for ~2 years. At that point, Sr Management expects Latitude to have a significant impact on reducing clinical workload allowing a 50% reduction in force.

Anyone reading this...don't listen to this knucklehead's comments.. clearly you are not in the CRM world. 50% reduction in FCR force --baloney. I suppose you believe robots will assist EPs in implants. Spread your distortions on your pharma company site loser.
 






Anyone reading this...don't listen to this knucklehead's comments.. clearly you are not in the CRM world. 50% reduction in FCR force --baloney. I suppose you believe robots will assist EPs in implants. Spread your distortions on your pharma company site loser.

In fact company reps will be attending fewer implants each year. We will be regulated out of the implant arena. Remote monitoring will eventually progress to remote programing. Implant decision trees will be controlled by hospital administration. It will all be about price. Unless of course the CRM companies learn to innovate again and provide unique benefits to patients worth a premium.

I may be a knucklehead, but you are a total fool if you don't believe Ray Elliott is asking why we need so many FCR's when we have such a great percentage of patients being followed on Latitude.
 






In fact company reps will be attending fewer implants each year. We will be regulated out of the implant arena. Remote monitoring will eventually progress to remote programing. Implant decision trees will be controlled by hospital administration. It will all be about price. Unless of course the CRM companies learn to innovate again and provide unique benefits to patients worth a premium.

I may be a knucklehead, but you are a total fool if you don't believe Ray Elliott is asking why we need so many FCR's when we have such a great percentage of patients being followed on Latitude.

I can assure you that BSC wants no part of the legal ass whooping they and any other company would face with "remote programming". I am sure Ray would like to get rid of FCRs, but he has zero clue about CRM and how it works. Also, have you met any EPs? They are egomaniacs on the level of a CT or neurosurgeon. You really think some 50k/year middle management douche is going to tell them what to implant? I agree, price parity will be important, but the docs make the decisions. Also, Latitude generates as much work as it eliminates, so good luck cutting more heads Ray.
 






In fact company reps will be attending fewer implants each year. We will be regulated out of the implant arena. Remote monitoring will eventually progress to remote programing. Implant decision trees will be controlled by hospital administration. It will all be about price. Unless of course the CRM companies learn to innovate again and provide unique benefits to patients worth a premium.

I may be a knucklehead, but you are a total fool if you don't believe Ray Elliott is asking why we need so many FCR's when we have such a great percentage of patients being followed on Latitude.

..again, you have no idea what you're talking about. Latitude or any of the other competitor's remote monitoring systems DO NOT and will never have the ability to change parameters on a patients device remotely...hence remote MONITORING. It is too risky. Believe me, all companies (BSC/MDT/SJM) have considered the technology many years ago but it is too risky. MDT has had remote monitoring for 7+ years...don't you think they would have made that switch by now if it was that secure & terrific?
"Company reps will be attending fewer implants every year" ... there are only a handful of EP labs restricting reps from doing cases throughout the nation (I know of a few in the boston area).... but by and large, this won't happen everywhere. Why? 1) Hospitals are cutting back on costs. They don't want to train/hire additional staff to do what a rep can do for "free" 2) PPM only hospitals can't afford the additional cost. 3) No way the staff can learn algorithms/features from numerous companies. 4) EP techs are more rare today --not many folks want to learn EP, therefore there is a shortage of these EP lab specialists. 5) remote monitoring hasn't caught on as quickly as many folks hoped.
Of course Ray has questioned the large overhead cost of employing 1,100 CRM sales reps & FCRs in the field...that's his job - cut costs and increase revenue. Cuts were made a awhile ago when he took over. You can only cut so much with what we have.
Please tell me you are a pharma rep...you can't be that ignorant if you were in CRM.
 






"You really think some 50k/year middle management douche is going to tell them what to implant? I agree, price parity will be important, but the docs make the decisions"

Umm, when the middle manager is managing this new employee/i,e, an EP? yes he will be his daddy.

Need to see the number of MD's begging to get bought by the hospitals as MD's will have very little decision making when the hospital is his "daddy"

Good ole days of MD'S leveraging one hospital over the other are coming to an end my friend
 






..again, you have no idea what you're talking about. Latitude or any of the other competitor's remote monitoring systems DO NOT and will never have the ability to change parameters on a patients device remotely...hence remote MONITORING. It is too risky. Believe me, all companies (BSC/MDT/SJM) have considered the technology many years ago but it is too risky. MDT has had remote monitoring for 7+ years...don't you think they would have made that switch by now if it was that secure & terrific?
"Company reps will be attending fewer implants every year" ... there are only a handful of EP labs restricting reps from doing cases throughout the nation (I know of a few in the boston area).... but by and large, this won't happen everywhere. Why? 1) Hospitals are cutting back on costs. They don't want to train/hire additional staff to do what a rep can do for "free" 2) PPM only hospitals can't afford the additional cost. 3) No way the staff can learn algorithms/features from numerous companies. 4) EP techs are more rare today --not many folks want to learn EP, therefore there is a shortage of these EP lab specialists. 5) remote monitoring hasn't caught on as quickly as many folks hoped.
Of course Ray has questioned the large overhead cost of employing 1,100 CRM sales reps & FCRs in the field...that's his job - cut costs and increase revenue. Cuts were made a awhile ago when he took over. You can only cut so much with what we have.
Please tell me you are a pharma rep...you can't be that ignorant if you were in CRM.

This is a very good "static" view of the current state of the business, but unfortunately for all of us things are changing rapidly.
1) Hospitals are cutting back staff. They are also buying out private practice EP. They will leverage staffing in the EP lab to gain control of the buying process. EP Staff will learn the CRM technology to keep their jobs.
2)PPM only hospitals can't afford the cost. True, the sales reps who are no longer allowed in the EP Labs can cover these cases.
3) No way the staff can learn...... That's BS and hospitals will outsource that training if needed.
4)EP techs are a rare bunch....... It's a good job. In the better labs the directors hand pick the talent and train them. There are a lot of talented folks looking for jobs today.
5) Remote monitoring hasn't caught on as quickly... That's probably a good thing right now as Latitude is costing us a fortune.
 






Rumor has it that STJ is changing their comp plan and their reps are none too thrilled. MDT clasically under-pays. It seems BSC is limiting EA's in some pockets and still giving them in others.

OK kids, apparently BIO and ELA are the only ones willing to pay decent money anymore. Good luck with that...

New sales model for STJ will be to eliminate sales reps. This is being tested in some smaller areas to test the paradigm shift. The idea is to hire lab and doctor staff members and pay them per device implant and per device check. There will be no benefits and NO car allowance. Salaried "Implant Specialist" will be present during implants to run numbers. It will greatly reduce costs and put a couple extra bucks in lab and office staff pockets while driving sales. Funny thing is, this is being implemented under peoples noses. Both ends are being worked. Sales people are helping phase themselves out and lab personnel are being misled.
 






New sales model for STJ will be to eliminate sales reps. This is being tested in some smaller areas to test the paradigm shift. The idea is to hire lab and doctor staff members and pay them per device implant and per device check. There will be no benefits and NO car allowance. Salaried "Implant Specialist" will be present during implants to run numbers. It will greatly reduce costs and put a couple extra bucks in lab and office staff pockets while driving sales. Funny thing is, this is being implemented under peoples noses. Both ends are being worked. Sales people are helping phase themselves out and lab personnel are being misled.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahaha, now that is funny
 












..again, you have no idea what you're talking about. Latitude or any of the other competitor's remote monitoring systems DO NOT and will never have the ability to change parameters on a patients device remotely...hence remote MONITORING. It is too risky. Believe me, all companies (BSC/MDT/SJM) have considered the technology many years ago but it is too risky. MDT has had remote monitoring for 7+ years...don't you think they would have made that switch by now if it was that secure & terrific?
"Company reps will be attending fewer implants every year" ... there are only a handful of EP labs restricting reps from doing cases throughout the nation (I know of a few in the boston area).... but by and large, this won't happen everywhere. Why? 1) Hospitals are cutting back on costs. They don't want to train/hire additional staff to do what a rep can do for "free" 2) PPM only hospitals can't afford the additional cost. 3) No way the staff can learn algorithms/features from numerous companies. 4) EP techs are more rare today --not many folks want to learn EP, therefore there is a shortage of these EP lab specialists. 5) remote monitoring hasn't caught on as quickly as many folks hoped.
Of course Ray has questioned the large overhead cost of employing 1,100 CRM sales reps & FCRs in the field...that's his job - cut costs and increase revenue. Cuts were made a awhile ago when he took over. You can only cut so much with what we have.
Please tell me you are a pharma rep...you can't be that ignorant if you were in CRM.

.....They don't want to train/hire additional staff to do what a rep can do for "free" ...
Technically, the FU provided by the industry is considered 'gifting' according to Avamed.
The FCR does the ENTIRE FU, yet the physician and the clinic bill for the visit. Oh, I know, the doctor has to be in the same room as the patient during the FU, right ? As soon as remote becomes more entrenched in the FU process, many face-to-face reviews will be rendered obsolete. Plus, the FUs are becoming more and more automated, which then enables med techs to do much (but perhaps not all) of the FUs. Look how automated a threshold test has become -- you just push a button and let the programmer do its thing.
Now, the most advanced devices do daily threshold monitoring REMOTELY and send a message if something is out of range. PS - most of the clinics outside the USA uses med tech people to do the FUs in clinic, and has the med tech people review the REMOTE reports -- they do this to reduce their liability and the companies love it because it reduces cost !!! REMOTE will replace ca. 50% of the current FCR workload in 3-5 years, partner.
 






.....They don't want to train/hire additional staff to do what a rep can do for "free" ...
Technically, the FU provided by the industry is considered 'gifting' according to Avamed.
The FCR does the ENTIRE FU, yet the physician and the clinic bill for the visit. Oh, I know, the doctor has to be in the same room as the patient during the FU, right ? As soon as remote becomes more entrenched in the FU process, many face-to-face reviews will be rendered obsolete. Plus, the FUs are becoming more and more automated, which then enables med techs to do much (but perhaps not all) of the FUs. Look how automated a threshold test has become -- you just push a button and let the programmer do its thing.
Now, the most advanced devices do daily threshold monitoring REMOTELY and send a message if something is out of range. PS - most of the clinics outside the USA uses med tech people to do the FUs in clinic, and has the med tech people review the REMOTE reports -- they do this to reduce their liability and the companies love it because it reduces cost !!! REMOTE will replace ca. 50% of the current FCR workload in 3-5 years, partner.

Where is Ray going to cut now that he couldn't get his price for Neuromod?

12.17.10 | Thomas Lee | Natick, Massachusetts
Is Boston Scientific’s plan to boost earnings growth unrealistic?

When Boston Scientific Corp. (NYSE:BSX) hosted its investor meeting in late November — its first in years — the company played Van Halen’s “Right Now” and Jesus Jones’ “Right Here, Right Now” during breaks in its presentation.
However, one Wall Street analyst suggested a different song for BSX’s soundtrack.

“After sitting through the meeting, our review of what was said suggests Van Halen’s ‘Dreams’ would have been a more apt pick,” Matthew Dodds, a Citigroup analyst wrote in a research report. “We just don’t envision a scenario of Boston’s combination of revenue acceleration while aggressively cutting costs as viable.”

Ouch.

Suffice it to say, analysts weren’t too impressed. And now that BSX is reportedly dropping plans to sell its neuromodulation unit, the company’s growth plans are looking even more unrealistic.

During its investors presentation, BSX told analysts it could boost earnings per share growth (EPS) by 11-12 percent annually through 2015, mostly through aggressive cost cutting.

The company based in Natick, Massachusetts, with major operations in Minnesota also said it would use $7 billion in projected free cash flow to pay down debt, pursue acquisitions, and reserve funds against legal and tax liabilities.

Wall Street, though, wondered how BSX could afford to do all of that, especially with sluggish sales growth.

“We question how Boston can acquire growth assets and invest to maintain leadership positions with a depressed balance sheet vs. peers and a stated objective to maintain absolute levels of [research and development] spend,” David Lewis, an analyst with Morgan Stanley, wrote in a research report. “Competition for attractive growth assets is likely to be intense, and competitors continue to invest heavily in internal development programs.”

One thing that might have alleviated that depressed balance sheet: selling off neurmodulation.

In October, BSX said it would sell its neurovascular unit to Stryker Corp. for $1.5 billion. Analysts also had expected BSX to fetch $1.5 billion to $2 billion for neuromodulation, where it lags far behind competitors Medtronic Inc. (NYSE:MDT), based in Fridley, Minnesota, and St. Jude Medical Inc. (NYSE:STJ), based in Little Canada, Minnesota.

But Bloomberg News reported this week that BSX abandoned efforts to sell its pain management business because suitors weren’t willing pay what it wanted.

That could be a big blow to BSX’s long term plans. That $1.5 billion to $2 billion equals approximately one year’s free cash flow over the next five years, according to the company’s projections.

And BSX really can’t count on boosting cash flow through sales growth. Analysts say BSX’s pipeline looks thin. Recent acquisitions like its $193.5 million decision to buy Asthmatx, Inc., a maker of catheter-based systems to treat asthma, and $386 million bet on heart valve maker Sadra Medical Inc. aren’t likely to yield any short term benefits to revenue.

“BSX talked up the opportunity in several cardiovascular, neuromodulation, and general surgery markets, but we believe it is sorely lacking in near-term products that can move the needle vs. the competition,” Dodd of Citigroup wrote. “BSX has made some effort to build out its pipeline with the recent deals for Asthmatx and Sadra, but both deals will take a while to have an impact and the internal programs had little to highlight in the way of clinical [trials].”

May I suggest a new song for BSX’s next investor meeting?

“Living on a Prayer,” by Jon Bon Jovi.
 






You are a r*****! An EA is a binding contract. The only way the company can release you is if you break one of the clauses in the EA (e.g. You stole from the company or committed a crime etc). Likewise, an employee is obligated to the company for the remainder of the EA but there are ways to get out of one.

I don't think he is a r*****. I was on two different EA's and had an attorney look closely at the second one. The assessment was that they could still terminate without cause. Also, RIF's do not apply and if they want, you're gone. On the other hand, a rep cannot get out of the EA. They are written well and for the company's benefit only.
 






You are a r*****! An EA is a binding contract. The only way the company can release you is if you break one of the clauses in the EA (e.g. You stole from the company or committed a crime etc). Likewise, an employee is obligated to the company for the remainder of the EA but there are ways to get out of one.

Actually, you are clearly the r***** here. I can promise you that the guy you are calling a r***** is doing your wife dog style while you are out trying to convince your customers that bsx is a real CRM company. Go pay your taxes, if you can.