Contract 7048

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I just found out that Quintiles rep will not be part of the realignment announcement this Thursday, and that we can apply for the retail positions with J&J being posted. There hasn't been anything posted for my area. So exactly where does this leave the Quintiles reps come July 1st?
 






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I just found out that Quintiles rep will not be part of the realignment announcement this Thursday, and that we can apply for the retail positions with J&J being posted. There hasn't been anything posted for my area. So exactly where does this leave the Quintiles reps come July 1st?
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How sure are you of your info?

This is what I feared. When I took the job I figured the 2 year gig was worth the risk. If the job now blows up it's a royal hose job on us.

It figures; OMJPI knew Levaquin was going generic 14 months after the contract started yet they "promised" 24 months of employment, and Quintiles was okay because of the 90-day out clause. That clause protects Quintiles, not its employees (us).

Those who don't get picked up by OMJPI will, in my opinion, be rather unlikely to get more than a couple weeks' severance (although if Quintiles' managers want to generate some major market credibility they'll go much further to "do right" by those who took the job in good faith).
 












My PriCara manager assured me and another Quintiles rep in the district that we would become J&J employees under the new alignment. But I'm not scheduled to receive a call about the realignment on Thursday.
 






Pricara DM's are giving Pricara reps their assignments on Tues by phone. Quintiles reps are to hear from Quintiles management.

The pessimist in me sees this as follows:
1) If Pricara was just re-assigning Quintiles reps new territory designations then Pricara DM's would be all that's necessary...the contract would be going as as before. This is apparently NOT the case.

2) Since this is NOT the case, my assumption is that some (or all) Quintiles reps will be homeless at Pricara when June ends (or possibly immediately).

3) My pessimistic guess is that all contractors are out of luck, and that where OMJPI job openings are posted, the only path to continued employment is via getting hired by OMJPI and getting paychecks that say "Johnson & Johnson" on them.

4) My further guess is that being a contractor for Pricara will count, but will hardly be sufficient to get a job. At least some Quintiles contractors will NOT be hired.

Oh Joy.
 






Well, it's semi-official.

There appear to be no Quintiles "positions" in the July "redeployment" until their still-unapproved drug wins its SECOND indication, which is assumed to be in late fall.

Sadly, even though the J&J folks have been fully informed of what their territories will be come July 5th, no one seems willing yet to tell the Quintiles people what their status is.

Hopeful view: Quintiles' management is trying to find useful ways to place the many soon-to-be-displaced people on contract 7048.
Cynical view: Quintiles' management is trying to delay informing those folks that they're done and gone July 5th because they're afraid the reps will just phone in their calls for the remainder of June, thus pissing off the customer (J&J's management).

Realistic view: Every minute that goes by with crickets chirping in the silence simply angers those who are in limbo (Quintiles reps) as they watch their J&J district-mates busily finish out this quarter and look forward to the next one.

We're grown-ups, Quintiles. Just tell us what's going on.

It has always been bad enough to be a contractor, feeling like there's a big party but you weren't invited so you have your nose pressed against the glass looking in, seeing everyone making money and laughing on their way to trips, contests, etc. Now, in the absence of information, they take that painful situation and make it worse.
 






So confusing.

I thought they were going to need us come July 1 to carry riva and some combination of the other products. And everyone knows they need to expand in time for the afib launch. So why are you thinking we're out on July 1? Seems to me they'd need us more now. You can't expand if you're contracting.
 






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So confusing.

I thought they were going to need us come July 1 to carry riva and some combination of the other products. And everyone knows they need to expand in time for the afib launch. So why are you thinking we're out on July 1? Seems to me they'd need us more now. You can't expand if you're contracting.
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What is generally given as a severance if we are let go? How about Health insurance? Does that continue for a while, or do you immediately go to COBRA?
 






Anonymous said:
So confusing.

I thought they were going to need us come July 1 to carry riva and some combination of the other products. And everyone knows they need to expand in time for the afib launch. So why are you thinking we're out on July 1? Seems to me they'd need us more now. You can't expand if you're contracting.
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J&J started promising Xarelto in (guessing) 2007 or 2008. In early 2009 they hired an entire salesforce to sell it to hospitals.

Somewhere on the way to market it got derailed in the FDA. By late 2009 or into 2010 they merged the newly hired CV people with their existing hospital reps and canned 10-15%.

So given this history, it's hardly surprising that they are dumping us contractors for at least the 4 months they expect to await the 2nd approval for Xarelto. Let's face it, J&J has been astoundingly POOR at forecasting when the drug makes it through the FDA.

The biggest surprise of all will be if the FDA shoots it down. It could happen. Then, as Nucynta IR tops out at $100m instead of its projected $1b, and Nucynta ER eventually does the same, Pricara (or is it now to be Janssen?) will do what they do best: They'll lay off truckloads of people.

So....there's nothing confusing about it at all.
 












Anonymous said:
So some retail reps will have X at ORS launch and some won't?
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Who knows? My guess is that all the boots on the ground at Pricara (now Janssen?) will sell X the moment it's approved for anything, even if it's treatment of premature ejaculation. [inside joke; Pricara was supposed to be selling just such a drug, but it got rejected by the FDA.]

The operating companies have promised J&J a billion $ from Nucynta IR and another billion $ for ER once it is approved. Given that these figures are delusional to the point of gibbering idiocy, they're going to need to get X going at lightspeed. You can't pay for all those reps and, especially, all those DM's and RBD's on a couple hundred million in Nucynta gross sales.

This is not to mention that other Factor Xa inhibitors are in the pipeline elsewhere, and there's no extra time to get X established.

All I know is that it sure looks like NONE OF US (contractors) will be involved with any of it, unless we somehow hang around and get re-hired if X gets that 2nd approval in late fall. If you were told to do the home study for Thrombo (as I was), there's a decent chance that it's a complete waste of time unless Quintiles' management works a miracle.
 






Really worried that what the above poster says is going to turn out to be true. I can't get an answer about what is going on with us from anyone, Quintiles or J&J. Has anyone heard anything definitive?
 












Anonymous said:
Really worried that what the above poster says is going to turn out to be true. I can't get an answer about what is going on with us from anyone, Quintiles or J&J. Has anyone heard anything definitive?
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Still nothing. Keeping people so in the dark seems like a less-than-stellar way to run a business. Too bad the employee engagement survey isn't going out now. There might have been a few more criticisms leveled.
 


















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Has anyone asked their J&J PriCara rep what they're doing for the launch?
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What launch. The drug isn't approved yet, and there was still scuttlebutt that 3rd Q incentive will be 100% Old-sin-ta.

What's the difference, anyway. Quintiles contractors (the current crop) are becoming more irrelevant by the hour at good 'ole Janssen (that's what everyone is, by the way).
 






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What launch. The drug isn't approved yet, and there was still scuttlebutt that 3rd Q incentive will be 100% Old-sin-ta.

What's the difference, anyway. Quintiles contractors (the current crop) are becoming more irrelevant by the hour at good 'ole Janssen (that's what everyone is, by the way).
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Sample shipment now delayed to after the new organization (one where there are NO CONTRACTOR POSITIONS slated for immediate fill).

Just another brick in the wall that all the current contractors are shit-out-of-luck come July, not that anyone has the decency to tell us that.
 






Anonymous said:
Sample shipment now delayed to after the new organization (one where there are NO CONTRACTOR POSITIONS slated for immediate fill).

Just another brick in the wall that all the current contractors are shit-out-of-luck come July, not that anyone has the decency to tell us that.
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It's amazing, isn't it? J&J and Quintiles management keep saying that there will be a place for everyone. What they aren't saying is that the place for the contract reps is in the unemployment line (or on the website, depending on your state).

Anyone know of any Quintiles reps that have even interviewed for a retail position? How about the CV sales force?

Any chance for us beyond July 1st?
 






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