Beware east coast

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Put your phone on top of my car!” You might expect to hear this from a criminal who was just making sure that no one could listen in to his private conversation, and in this case, you would be right. But this was no ordinary drug deal or covert mob transaction. Instead it was a request made by a very affluent physician to a salesperson.

“He asked me to take my phone and put it on top of his car, a nice car at that; I believe a Mercedes C Class. I guess ‘cause he thought I might record what he was going to ask me for,” Mr. X, a salesperson for a blood lab company, would later tell me as part of his tale of greed and duplicity.

The physician in question, let’s call him Dr. Money, was having some trouble paying his bills for his $100,000 car, the kids’ schools, and especially for both his wife’s and mistresses’ needs and he wanted to offer Mr. X a deal that would make both of them “lots of money.” He just wasn’t sure if Mr. X was interested in his proposition or if he might even record their conversation.

Dr. Money wanted to continue to send his patients’ bloods to the salespersons’ lab but told him that he was offered $5,000 in cash a month, to use another lab. “I like you and I have been very loyal to you, so if you match what they are going to give me I will continue sending you labs and even send you more than before,” Dr. Money told my source. Mr. X did on occasion do favors for his clients and provide them with small fees to speak at dinner conferences, but this request, which if he agreed to could land him in jail, was something he had to decline. Almost as quickly as the doctor’s eight cylinder German coupe could vanish, so did his account.

As the pharmaceutical industry became more scrutinized by the media and the FDA, it has become more difficult for the crooks with an MD after their name to find ways to profit without laying a hand on a patient. While reimbursements to physicians have fallen significantly, reimbursements for blood tests, especially complex blood analyses like allergy tests, hormone levels, and sophisticated rheumatologic tests, can be quite significant — as much as a few hundred dollars for each exam.

The simple mathematical equation of greedy businessman + greedy doctor = lots of expensive blood tests, is now more common than the public or the regulators realize. I suspect billions of dollars of inappropriate blood tests are being performed though arrangements like that of Dr. Money’s.

During the past few months, through interviews with salespeople, like Mr. X, and my own encounters with patients who visited with these duplicitous MDs, I have uncovered a scam that is likely costing insurers and tax-payers billions.

Some blood labs appear to be paying doctors cash to sign up with their lab and in return these doctors are given a list of tests that they should order on their patients — usually unnecessary studies that can cost thousands of dollars for each patient.

Unfortunately it appears that Medicare and many insurers, provided the right diagnostic code is submitted, pay for these tests.

Nothing illustrates my point better than the following case I recently witnessed.

Mr. P, an otherwise healthy man about the age of 40, wasn’t feeling well, or sleeping well, and he was very anxious and complained of feeling tired and of being very nervous and had lots of body aches that included a vague and constant chest pain. Worried that something was wrong, he sought care with a local doctor, a doctor like Dr. Money, who enhanced his profits in a way honest physicians would not; a doctor that seemed to order every allowable test, even if he wasn’t trained to do them; a man who likely made some illegal backroom deal like Dr. Money had with an opportunistic lab company: I send you blood tests and you give me cash.

When Mr. P noticed the bills submitted to a local blood lab, he recalled reading my book and sought me out to review his care. He brought all his records and bills for me to review. He told me that he finally left the care of his doctor after being prescribed thyroid hormones, even though his thyroid labs were normal. He was upset that this doctor had prescribed a medication that he did not require, as he later learned when he saw a thyroid specialist, and that he had ordered blood tests that his insurance paid thousands of dollars for.
 












I work part time for a lab and make great money($25,000 a month) so what , I work my butt off for both Thermo (ace winner numerous time) and the other lab. The other lab I work for is an ethical place to work and gives great discount for patients who cant afford having their blood tested; I actually feel good about this. I see no harm in working for another lab , Thermo obviously thinks the same way as so many people do it. I have a family and if it means working for another lab will make a better life for them I am all for it. Those of you who are complaining are jealous.
 






Ever hear of "Conflict of Interest" Your delusional if you think working for two companies is not "TOXIC" as a professional sales rep being paid full time with benefits, to devote full time to your job.

Why don't you give up your benefits and work as a contract employee and make as much money as you like.
 






I work part time for a lab and make great money($25,000 a month) so what , I work my butt off for both Thermo (ace winner numerous time) and the other lab. The other lab I work for is an ethical place to work and gives great discount for patients who cant afford having their blood tested; I actually feel good about this. I see no harm in working for another lab , Thermo obviously thinks the same way as so many people do it. I have a family and if it means working for another lab will make a better life for them I am all for it. Those of you who are complaining are jealous.

I think its awesome wish i could do that. Cash Money all day eeerday!
Does the other lab run immunocap for you?
 












I work part time for a lab and make great money($25,000 a month) so what , I work my butt off for both Thermo (ace winner numerous time) and the other lab. The other lab I work for is an ethical place to work and gives great discount for patients who cant afford having their blood tested; I actually feel good about this. I see no harm in working for another lab , Thermo obviously thinks the same way as so many people do it. I have a family and if it means working for another lab will make a better life for them I am all for it. Those of you who are complaining are jealous.

you're an effing r*****. check your employee handbook, no doubt a conflict, but you probably work for LC who does it too (steroids and big muscles, he's got a ton of time on his hands). Eventually TFS will find out and you'll either be warned or terminated. BTW, everyone can afford to have their blood tested unless they're having it done 3x a month. All carriers have lab coverage, or there's an indigent program, medicaid/medicare is covered, even cash payers have payment plans, so I call part of your post BS.
 












who cares who works for what labs, they have families to feed and if you were in the same area you would know that cost of living is much higher in nyc compared to the rest of the country. you would be doing the same if that is what they are doing. best of luck to all
 












We sell our souls everyday for profiles. Phadia's mind set is you need to do what you gotta do to get the business. There is only so much lunches can accomplish. Thermo needs to let us run our business as we have been doing it and MM needs to start giving us credit for expanded profiles. Again, we will turn off the expanded panels and just give them what they want, but you will see the numbers tank in the 1st quarter and thermo will pull our money. Thermo needs to get rid of MM as of yesterday and put MZ in his place. If you want 20% growth let us sell and leave us alone!
 


















You are all on some serious drugs!! Who do you think the ring leaders of this charade are anyway?! Thermo is probably going to drop the IDD; too much bad blood there. Changes are trying to be made but when theft, fraud, even jail are in the mix it's beyond repair. The Integrity pillar had collapsed (if it even existed). If your nose isn't clean leave before you get lynched bc it's coming...

investors who enter schemes last lose more. care to comment CEO MC?
 






Crazy stuff happens here. You have to do what needs to be done to succeed! Thermo wants to do business very straight forward without any extra stuff from reps. Layoffs are coming especially if numbers are not close to goals. We are already behind ytd and thermo will pull all budget money! We will be like pharma no money for lunches and thermo will transfer division to quest and have them sell it for us! Cut all overhead and thermo still makes money!
 






Crazy stuff happens here. You have to do what needs to be done to succeed! Thermo wants to do business very straight forward without any extra stuff from reps. Layoffs are coming especially if numbers are not close to goals. We are already behind ytd and thermo will pull all budget money! We will be like pharma no money for lunches and thermo will transfer division to quest and have them sell it for us! Cut all overhead and thermo still makes money!

nonsense
 












For everyone who goes to this site needs to realize its not only the NE, but the West Coast as well. Huge territory changes out west helping the reps who can no longer manipulate the system. RSM Wayne is choosing sides with reps over others to keep people happy. This is why IDD will collapse. As people go out and work everyday and get this done others sit at home and do nothing, but when things hit the fan the big boys cry and Wayne comes to the rescue to screw people over. Again, not only is the NE under the microscope the entire division. Big changes coming at the end of the 1st quarter. Numbers are way down and Thermo will pull budget and then the death spiral of IDD!!!
 






For everyone who goes to this site needs to realize its not only the NE, but the West Coast as well. Huge territory changes out west helping the reps who can no longer manipulate the system. RSM Wayne is choosing sides with reps over others to keep people happy. This is why IDD will collapse. As people go out and work everyday and get this done others sit at home and do nothing, but when things hit the fan the big boys cry and Wayne comes to the rescue to screw people over. Again, not only is the NE under the microscope the entire division. Big changes coming at the end of the 1st quarter. Numbers are way down and Thermo will pull budget and then the death spiral of IDD!!!

It is time for MM and his ilk to go