Bad Management Decisions: RTBKPL

[RTBKPL]

Today is the 25th anniversary of the Challenger disaster. A classic case of management not listening to the engineers and others who knew what was going on. The need to stay on schedule, the need to remain within budget, the need to be perceived as being in control is paramount to management. They know what's best.

I wonder if the command pilot knew the feelings of the engineers that morning? I am sure that any stick worth his salt would have made the ultimate pilot in command decision to "no go." No doubt his decision would have been second guessed by management and his evaluation would contain some negative comments about his attitude and behavior but he would have been right. Nothing like an aircraft commander standing his ground in the face of management. How many airline disasters have occurred because management insists on flying?

When I get on a commercial airliner I always try to get a peek in the cockpit to see who's flying. I like to see grey hair, no hair, age spots. I will avoid commuter airlines like the plague, I actually know people flying for a few of them, I wouldn't do a high speed taxi with some.

Wake up management, ask for input from those whose lives are on the line. Listen to the old guys, if there are any left around to be listened to.

Never let the bastards get you down.

RTKBPL

 

[Anonymous]

This area needs leadership in a bad way. Memphis will see the ramifications of what KP thought were good decisions.

 

[Anonymous]

Today is the 25th anniversary of the Challenger disaster. A classic case of management not listening to the engineers and others who knew what was going on. The need to stay on schedule, the need to remain within budget, the need to be perceived as being in control is paramount to management. They know what's best.

I wonder if the command pilot knew the feelings of the engineers that morning? I am sure that any stick worth his salt would have made the ultimate pilot in command decision to "no go." No doubt his decision would have been second guessed by management and his evaluation would contain some negative comments about his attitude and behavior but he would have been right. Nothing like an aircraft commander standing his ground in the face of management. How many airline disasters have occurred because management insists on flying?

When I get on a commercial airliner I always try to get a peek in the cockpit to see who's flying. I like to see grey hair, no hair, age spots. I will avoid commuter airlines like the plague, I actually know people flying for a few of them, I wouldn't do a high speed taxi with some.

Wake up management, ask for input from those whose lives are on the line. Listen to the old guys, if there are any left around to be listened to.

Never let the bastards get you down.

RTKBPL

I'm an old gal, RT, and I'm still here. Believe me, nobody's listening.

Thanks for your posts. I valued them before you left, and I think even more so now.

 

[Anonymous]

I think most of us value his thoughts. Those that don't will be the death of this company with their poor attitudes.

 

[Anonymous]

I think most of us value his thoughts. Those that don't will be the death of this company with their poor attitudes.

CP continues to be a forum for RT. Now he gets to talk about his flying. PMT

 

[RTBKPL]

CP continues to be a forum for RT. Now he gets to talk about his flying. PMT

Considering the garbage on CP, I would think my flying might be interesting. My comments about management interfering with labor are irrefutable my friend. I've made comments in the past about regional airlines, how many of you have to jump on one of those to make a meeting?

If you think you are mistreated by Novartis, try living the life of a copilot on a Regional Airline. They will typically have spent over 100K dollars for their ratings and will make 15 to 20K to start. Hopefully after 10 years they will make 30K with a chance to move to the left seat and be a Captain making 45-70K. Yes, they are limited to 80 hours of flying time per month but the pre and post flight time, the training time and commuting time is substantial. Even in a small commuter they are responsible for dozens of lives. Yes, the accident level is low but the potential for disaster is quite high.

Hope I don't disturb you with my comments, feel free to ignore what I write if you wish. Have a great day my friend and remember........

Never let the bastards get you down.

RTBKPL

 

[Anonymous]

Considering the garbage on CP, I would think my flying might be interesting. My comments about management interfering with labor are irrefutable my friend. I've made comments in the past about regional airlines, how many of you have to jump on one of those to make a meeting?

If you think you are mistreated by Novartis, try living the life of a copilot on a Regional Airline. They will typically have spent over 100K dollars for their ratings and will make 15 to 20K to start. Hopefully after 10 years they will make 30K with a chance to move to the left seat and be a Captain making 45-70K. Yes, they are limited to 80 hours of flying time per month but the pre and post flight time, the training time and commuting time is substantial. Even in a small commuter they are responsible for dozens of lives. Yes, the accident level is low but the potential for disaster is quite high.

Hope I don't disturb you with my comments, feel free to ignore what I write if you wish. Have a great day my friend and remember........

Never let the bastards get you down.

RTBKPL

And finally you get to the point

Reps are MASSIVELY overpaid for the educational background, hours worked and any actual value that they bring to the table
This is a 40K a yr job at best
Consider that on the East/ West coast most PCPs (family docs, internal medicine) with 4 yrs of med school and minimum 3 yrs of residency working 60-70 hrs per week struggle to crack 110K yr

As far as listening to the workers...why bother, you add little to nothing, at HQ we all know that. Only reason cuts haven't been deeper is it saves some fat for cuts in future years which helps us hit our true masters (Basel) targets

 

[Anonymous]

Considering the garbage on CP, I would think my flying might be interesting. My comments about management interfering with labor are irrefutable my friend. I've made comments in the past about regional airlines, how many of you have to jump on one of those to make a meeting?

If you think you are mistreated by Novartis, try living the life of a copilot on a Regional Airline. They will typically have spent over 100K dollars for their ratings and will make 15 to 20K to start. Hopefully after 10 years they will make 30K with a chance to move to the left seat and be a Captain making 45-70K. Yes, they are limited to 80 hours of flying time per month but the pre and post flight time, the training time and commuting time is substantial. Even in a small commuter they are responsible for dozens of lives. Yes, the accident level is low but the potential for disaster is quite high.

Hope I don't disturb you with my comments, feel free to ignore what I write if you wish. Have a great day my friend and remember........

Never let the bastards get you down.

RTBKPL

I don't know RT. Most of your comments, albeit Nov or flying or whatever, all have the same beat: self-promotion, and I have to say it, pontificating. You can't get enough of yourself!! You will never go away, because you really do believe the "non illegitimi carborundum" stuff you have to say.

 

[Anonymous]

I don't know RT. Most of your comments, albeit Nov or flying or whatever, all have the same beat: self-promotion, and I have to say it, pontificating. You can't get enough of yourself!! You will never go away, because you really do believe the "non illegitimi carborundum" stuff you have to say.

I find his comments to be among the few worth reading on Cp. He uses analogies such as the shuttle disaster to point out the weakness of management. Our mgmt is no different and they can't find their asses with directions. The layoff's were a classic example of managerial failure. They screw up, we suffer. Why don't you make some intelligent comments yourself?

 

[Anonymous]

I find his comments to be among the few worth reading on Cp. He uses analogies such as the shuttle disaster to point out the weakness of management. Our mgmt is no different and they can't find their asses with directions. The layoff's were a classic example of managerial failure. They screw up, we suffer. Why don't you make some intelligent comments yourself?

Duh, alright. Cogito, ergo sum, ad adsurdum.