Another week is going by . . When is that layoff come? Noone is working and just waiting

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I am sure it will be discussed on the Town Hall Thursday. The company got so much heat for how they handled the 2023 layoff, maybe the roll out will be different this time.
 












anonymous said:
Don’t stop working. Poor performers go first!
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You are wrong. Many high performers were impacted in 2024. It is pure luck that will keep or kick you out. If you belong to a group that is guzzling all the money, you may lose everyone. Hope for yourself that your group’s leadership is using the money allotted to them wisely.
 






anonymous said:
Don’t stop working. Poor performers go first!
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Not even remotely true. Those "in the know" are aware that the layoffs are based on some combination of internal politics, strategic re-organization (i.e. if you're in Business Unit X and BMS decides to shut down Business Unit X, you are screwed), "engagement scores", race / age (to achieve balance in demographics of employees being laid off), and other nonsense.

As perplexing as it may seem, performance has little to nothing to do with it. It's why BMS is such a shitshow and poorly run company
 






anonymous said:
Not even remotely true. Those "in the know" are aware that the layoffs are based on some combination of internal politics, strategic re-organization (i.e. if you're in Business Unit X and BMS decides to shut down Business Unit X, you are screwed), "engagement scores", race / age (to achieve balance in demographics of employees being laid off), and other nonsense.

As perplexing as it may seem, performance has little to nothing to do with it. It's why BMS is such a shitshow and poorly run company
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Yup! It all comes down to the business units that are being ratted on the most along with the number of employees in that unit. If you are in a large business unit, expect large cuts. If you are in a disliked business unit, expect large cuts. Nothing or little to do with performance or the therapeutic area. Along with laying off a large number of employees, you will see a lot of internal movement of employees and some new hiring. HR and senior leadership are having a field day. It is all nonsense. It would have been much better to think about company’s growth and its people rather than all these cuts. You need very intelligent people for growth and saving people which are nowhere to be seen. If you are not in a demolished business unit and are laid off individually, even here performance does not matter at all. Relationships and gossip play a big role. If you mind your own business, work hard and are completely productive, you will still be the first one to go. Why do you think it has become so bad? Because the best will be gone
 






anonymous said:
Yup! It all comes down to the business units that are being ratted on the most along with the number of employees in that unit. If you are in a large business unit, expect large cuts. If you are in a disliked business unit, expect large cuts. Nothing or little to do with performance or the therapeutic area. Along with laying off a large number of employees, you will see a lot of internal movement of employees and some new hiring. HR and senior leadership are having a field day. It is all nonsense. It would have been much better to think about company’s growth and its people rather than all these cuts. You need very intelligent people for growth and saving people which are nowhere to be seen. If you are not in a demolished business unit and are laid off individually, even here performance does not matter at all. Relationships and gossip play a big role. If you mind your own business, work hard and are completely productive, you will still be the first one to go. Why do you think it has become so bad? Because the best will be gone
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We will lose some good people but the best will definitely not be gone.
 






anonymous said:
Don’t stop working. Poor performers go first!
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So far off. Performance only matters on powerpoint. What matters to HR is cost and skin tone. The first to be targeted are experienced, well paid - usually older white men. HR views each of you as easily replaceable.

The wise will stop working altogether and focus on contingencies. If retained, you can put those of the back burner.
 






anonymous said:
We will lose some good people but the best will definitely not be gone.
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No one knows who is the best and who is the worst. Who is the good, who is bad and who is ugly. It is murky and there are people who can easily be labeled one way or the other by motormouths with no sense of what they are doing to someone else whether it is true or not.
 






anonymous said:
So far off. Performance only matters on powerpoint. What matters to HR is cost and skin tone. The first to be targeted are experienced, well paid - usually older white men. HR views each of you as easily replaceable.

The wise will stop working altogether and focus on contingencies. If retained, you can put those of the back burner.
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There is age related discrimination here and in every other Pharma. Much bigger than any other DEI issue. Get rich early and get to the top early are the reasons capable balanced people are shut out. A lot suffer and live miserably because they are not allowed to work until their retirement ages. Anyone below an ED level or Sr D level must be allowed to work because their resources are limited.
 






anonymous said:
There is age related discrimination here and in every other Pharma. Much bigger than any other DEI issue. Get rich early and get to the top early are the reasons capable balanced people are shut out. A lot suffer and live miserably because they are not allowed to work until their retirement ages. Anyone below an ED level or Sr D level must be allowed to work because their resources are limited.
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Soooo DEI initiatives actively fight against ageism. So sounds like you aren’t against DEI. You are just racist.
 












anonymous said:
Soooo DEI initiatives actively fight against ageism. So sounds like you aren’t against DEI. You are just racist.
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No I am not a racist. Never can be one. Age discrimination is much worse than race discrimination at BMS. This is a fact. I have seen older individuals being pushed out by this one individual and then this individual gets laid off too. That was satisfying.
 












anonymous said:
No I am not a racist. Never can be one. Age discrimination is much worse than race discrimination at BMS. This is a fact. I have seen older individuals being pushed out by this one individual and then this individual gets laid off too. That was satisfying.
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Older people are the worst, low productivity, unable to adapt, entitled from the days things used to be easy. Literally the worst people to work with are those 50 and up.
 






One of the most interesting thing about BMS (unlike any other Pharma company I've either worked for or know intimately from friends) is that everyone here is basically a r***** - just to not look out of sync. If you can step away from the circle jerk - see what e.g. Lilly, Novo, etc. are doing - then success comes easy. BMS is a cesspool because the employees are incentivized to make poor decisions.
 












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