Age discrimination

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Basically, if you have been in pharma for more than 3 years and are between the ages of 35 and 45, you are not wanted here. A manager told me that while putting me on LOC
 












They're just containing the salaries, happens in all departments of the company. If you go younger you save money. Sally's first question is usually "Is so and so in a protected class?" when they're plotting to push you out or otherwise screw you. Seems like HR is only afraid of over 50 for males and non-minority females. (which is probably why you can count the minority females hired on one hand) Surely that's why they start clipping people in their 30's and early 40's. We need a nice successful class action for the hundreds of people victimized in the under 50 category. Anyone game?
 






how would you feel if you were a dr and a 21-24yr old blonde surfer dude or chick start detailing you, get real Forest, you need to start hiring older people with experience and compensate properly
 






Anonymous said:
how would you feel if you were a dr and a 21-24yr old blonde surfer dude or chick start detailing you, get real Forest, you need to start hiring older people with experience and compensate properly
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I would feel the growing chubby in my pants right before that 22yr old blonde got down on her knees to gain my support for her product. Get real, we're not into cougars. We all go to med school to get in the pants of fine young trim.
 






Nah, the docs like the cougars especially if their kinda cute and slightly less dumb. Unless the older f rep is not attractive or butch, too much of a "mom" that has mailed it in, or no fun its an advantage. They know realistically they have no shot with the "fine young" reps, they feel more confident with the cougars.
 






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Once you hit a certain age...are you "pharmed" out..Forest is known for that
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It's really not so much the age as it is intelligence. As soon as you get to the point where you know what you're doing and realize your DM and RD are moronic fucking numbnuts, they want you gone. The reason they want you gone is because at that point you start to question the dumbass shit they want you to do and they don't like that.
 






Anonymous said:
how would you feel if you were a dr and a 21-24yr old blonde surfer dude or chick start detailing you, get real Forest, you need to start hiring older people with experience and compensate properly
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So true as goes with a lot of other companies hiring young people with no experience. On the other hand, we were all young with no experience at one time.... We are just better with age.
 






Anonymous said:
So true as goes with a lot of other companies hiring young people with no experience. On the other hand, we were all young with no experience at one time.... We are just better with age.
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Yes we were all young but some of us had intelligent, mature leaders as a manager and that, combined with experience, is why we know what we're doing now. How are the young people at Forest ever going to grow and learn when they are coached by stupid fucks like 95% of the Forest DM's and RD's.
 






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It's really not so much the age as it is intelligence. As soon as you get to the point where you know what you're doing and realize your DM and RD are moronic fucking numbnuts, they want you gone. The reason they want you gone is because at that point you start to question the dumbass shit they want you to do and they don't like that.
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This is one of the truest statements I've ever read on this board. Intelligent thought - once an attribute at Forest - is now a detriment. God forbid you don't tow the Company line, It is really ashame how much the management levels have been dumbed down. Even "senior sales management," i.e. the RD's, have no real decision making authority. The want yes men that drink the cool aid. It's sad.
 






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Why do you think that is?
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Truly because at that point it becomes obvious that the DM's and RD's don't really have enough experience in the field (in any industry) to be of much help to anyone with more experience then them; and most of them left the field and started to move up after a couple years. The solutions they try to ram down your throat don't work; you know it and they know you know it but they don't know what else to do.

The problem this creates and the reason they want you gone is because you will begin to question these solutions because you know the damage it will do to your relationships. They don't like to be questioned because they think they know the answers because they are "MANAGERS" now. Unfortuntely they can't offer real solutions because they didn't spend enough time in the field learning how to overcome the challenges you face day to day.

This is why Forest should not promote people until they have 8-10 years in the field.
 






Well said. The managers or "leaders" cough, cough, choke...as they like to be called don't have a clue. Their solutions are put everyone on LOCs. What does this solve? Not a damn thing.
 






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Well said. The managers or "leaders" cough, cough, choke...as they like to be called don't have a clue. Their solutions are put everyone on LOCs. What does this solve? Not a damn thing.
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That is correct - not a damn thing; but they continue to do it to create the illusion of progress because they have no clue on what really needs to be done.
 












Anonymous said:
This is one of the truest statements I've ever read on this board. Intelligent thought - once an attribute at Forest - is now a detriment. God forbid you don't tow the Company line, It is really ashame how much the management levels have been dumbed down. Even "senior sales management," i.e. the RD's, have no real decision making authority. The want yes men that drink the cool aid. It's sad.
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and you are just now figuring this out? this has been the mantra here at frx for the last 10 years. ship in and ship reps, when the rep picks up on the scheme and bullshit and politics they are either fired or they quit out of misery. then forest reloads the boat with more dumb-asses and ships the suckers to Commack for consumption and role playing, then turn that sorry bunch over and hit the repeat button in 6 months.

There is a reason forest does not give vacation upon hire, there is a reason forest enforces adn brags and threatens about the "probation period of new hire" and why they have token shit dumps in each district act as the "knark" and pod rat.......this is the motel 6 of pharma, if you are just seeing this for the first time, you are dumber than you sound.
 






Anonymous said:
and you are just now figuring this out? this has been the mantra here at frx for the last 10 years. ship in and ship reps, when the rep picks up on the scheme and bullshit and politics they are either fired or they quit out of misery. then forest reloads the boat with more dumb-asses and ships the suckers to Commack for consumption and role playing, then turn that sorry bunch over and hit the repeat button in 6 months.

There is a reason forest does not give vacation upon hire, there is a reason forest enforces adn brags and threatens about the "probation period of new hire" and why they have token shit dumps in each district act as the "knark" and pod rat.......this is the motel 6 of pharma, if you are just seeing this for the first time, you are dumber than you sound.
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Well said! Do you ever wonder how much money Forest could save by reducing turnover to single digit and gaining some employee loyalty? I mean just think about the impact of having reps stay in the field for an average of 12 years instead of 2 and what that might do to sales and reputation. I wonder if they will ever figure this out.
 






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