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I for one am pretty embarrassed that for the last 11+ years we have said how bad NPH and R are compared to the "NEW" stuff, but now we will tout we will sell it in a vial for $25??? But give a $500 coupon IF you have commercial insurance.

Patient assistance can no longer get insulin in a pen? Who are we trying to fool here?
 




anonymous said:
I for one am pretty embarrassed that for the last 11+ years we have said how bad NPH and R are compared to the "NEW" stuff, but now we will tout we will sell it in a vial for $25??? But give a $500 coupon IF you have commercial insurance.

Patient assistance can no longer get insulin in a pen? Who are we trying to fool here?
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Relion (which IS Novolin) has been $25 forever and doesn't make a difference. This is all about appearances - we are offering 2nd class medicine for poor people so we can pat ourselves on the back when we bilk the healthcare system for billions a year with our other products.

I would have been (somewhat) impressed if we had offered in the flex touch.

Vial/syringe is a non starter.
 




anonymous said:
I for one am pretty embarrassed that for the last 11+ years we have said how bad NPH and R are compared to the "NEW" stuff, but now we will tout we will sell it in a vial for $25??? But give a $500 coupon IF you have commercial insurance.

Patient assistance can no longer get insulin in a pen? Who are we trying to fool here?
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Nothing but a classic diversionary tactic used throughout many industries. But I agree that this move looks especially disingenuous, considering the fact that we are under the microscope for that shadow-pricing charge :(. I guess we get what we pay for: we have 2nd rate cronies at high levels both on Scudders Mill and overseas, so we get second rate tactics. I suppose when all else fails, they will fall back on the tried-and-true: if we can't increase sales to make up for loss of Rx due to Basaglar formularies, we will have to address our "unforeseen headwinds" with a new sales model, and territory "right-sizing". AKA, field force cuts.
 




anonymous said:
I for one am pretty embarrassed that for the last 11+ years we have said how bad NPH and R are compared to the "NEW" stuff, but now we will tout we will sell it in a vial for $25??? But give a $500 coupon IF you have commercial insurance.

Patient assistance can no longer get insulin in a pen? Who are we trying to fool here?
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If you want the prices you paid 20 years ago, you get the drug you paid for 20 years ago. It's actually really straightforward.
 




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If you want the prices you paid 20 years ago, you get the drug you paid for 20 years ago. It's actually really straightforward.
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Wow - hot shot DBM alert! Do you coach all your reps to say this? What about if I want the Victoza price I paid 5 years ago? What about if I want the novolog price from 15 years ago? Hmm?

What a dumb fucking argument. Look a patient who is struggling to afford their meds in the face and tell them that.
 




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Wow - hot shot DBM alert! Do you coach all your reps to say this? What about if I want the Victoza price I paid 5 years ago? What about if I want the novolog price from 15 years ago? Hmm?

What a dumb fucking argument. Look a patient who is struggling to afford their meds in the face and tell them that.
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We're running a business, not a charity. It's not our responsibility to make sure every patient can afford our medicines. It's our responsibility to make sure enough patients can afford our medicine so that we turn a nice profit and grow our stock price. We have the same goal as any other publicly traded business in America - maximize profits. I know you don't like that, but that doesn't make it false.
 




anonymous said:
Wow - hot shot DBM alert! Do you coach all your reps to say this? What about if I want the Victoza price I paid 5 years ago? What about if I want the novolog price from 15 years ago? Hmm?

What a dumb fucking argument. Look a patient who is struggling to afford their meds in the face and tell them that.
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I hope to god you're not a rep because you have zero understanding of the economics of this market. You're acting like we're taking home in our pockets all of the price increases.
 




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We're running a business, not a charity. It's not our responsibility to make sure every patient can afford our medicines. It's our responsibility to make sure enough patients can afford our medicine so that we turn a nice profit and grow our stock price. We have the same goal as any other publicly traded business in America - maximize profits. I know you don't like that, but that doesn't make it false.
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Agreed. So, now we can finally put that TBL tagline in our rear view mirrors.
 




anonymous said:
We're running a business, not a charity. It's not our responsibility to make sure every patient can afford our medicines. It's our responsibility to make sure enough patients can afford our medicine so that we turn a nice profit and grow our stock price. We have the same goal as any other publicly traded business in America - maximize profits. I know you don't like that, but that doesn't make it false.
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Well said. I smell Bernie Sanders supporters all over this thread.
 




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Agreed. So, now we can finally put that TBL tagline in our rear view mirrors.
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Quit over-dramatizing things. If you're trying to act like we don't do good, then you're kidding yourself. The TBL has never been in place to make sure everyone in the world can afford our insulin. The TBL has always been about a balance - do good for people, do good for the environment, and make money. All of them are important, and we do all of them pretty darn well. You can do good and do well all at the same time - I can run through a laundry list of all the free medicine we give away and how we help patients afford it and so on and so forth, but the goal has never been 100% accessible to everyone. Quit acting like making a profit is a bad thing. It's what pays your salary.
 




anonymous said:
We're running a business, not a charity. It's not our responsibility to make sure every patient can afford our medicines. It's our responsibility to make sure enough patients can afford our medicine so that we turn a nice profit and grow our stock price. We have the same goal as any other publicly traded business in America - maximize profits. I know you don't like that, but that doesn't make it false.
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Business motives lead to perverted outcomes like a 900 dollar blood sugar drug that has risen in price by 40% in 3 years.
 
















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Ding ding ding.
You can be successful without being morally bankrupt.
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Morally bankrupt? Since when is raising prices being morally bankrupt? If you have the ability to charge more and it will still get paid for, then that's what you do. The market has (finally) shown that price increases aren't going to be accepted on the same scale, so we'll stop doing them. You never take less that what you can get for any good or service....unless you're running a charity. And, I think we've already covered that topic.

You've just jumped on the bandwagon here to point your finger at those big, awful pharma companies. Let's tell the sad story of that poor, single mom who can't afford her insulin, while ignoring the tens of millions of people who can.
 
























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