Interview rejection

[anonymous]

Scenario: if an AZ Respiratory Sales Specialist employee interviewed for a Respiratory (specialty) position, and they offered position to someone else, AND that person turned down the offer, and job was posted AGAIN .

Should that person with AZ that wasn't offered position
A) Apply again, or B) realize you were not hired for a reason and give up
Thoughts are that if you did perhaps get to interview again, and rejected for a second time, you would have basically ended your career with AZ...I.E. you'd be frowned upon at as a failure, and those would question your ability at current position.

 

[anonymous]

Scenario: if an AZ Respiratory Sales Specialist employee interviewed for a Respiratory (specialty) position, and they offered position to someone else, AND that person turned down the offer, and job was posted AGAIN .

Should that person with AZ that wasn't offered position
A) Apply again, or B) realize you were not hired for a reason and give up
Thoughts are that if you did perhaps get to interview again, and rejected for a second time, you would have basically ended your career with AZ...I.E. you'd be frowned upon at as a failure, and those would question your ability at current position.

 

[anonymous]

Scenario: if an AZ Respiratory Sales Specialist employee interviewed for a Respiratory (specialty) position, and they offered position to someone else, AND that person turned down the offer, and job was posted AGAIN .

Should that person with AZ that wasn't offered position
A) Apply again, or B) realize you were not hired for a reason and give up
Thoughts are that if you did perhaps get to interview again, and rejected for a second time, you would have basically ended your career with AZ...I.E. you'd be frowned upon at as a failure, and those would question your ability at current position.

Your in an abusive relationship. Why would you apply again unless you like the frustration. What would make you think that you were next in line for the position anyway. Astrazeneca is a poison leaching into the water. Get out

 

[anonymous]

Please,please.
Do yourself a favor. If you didn't get it the first time, there's a reason. Do NOT go back there. Much more can be had searching for a specialty job outside AZ than inside.

If you perhaps were able to interview for that same position (don't give them the pleasure), and you were rejected again, your not gonna recover from that. Especially from your own company. You've been warned!

 

[anonymous]

Don't give them the pleasure and find another company.
Much better chance there and you'll be happier!!!

 

[anonymous]

Don't give them the pleasure and find another company.
Much better chance there and you'll be happier!!!

How many times to you have to burn your hand before you stop putting it on the hot stove?
Unless you are turned on by being abused, humiliated, or ignored, then you should move on. Find something or some place to do it where you feel good about yourself. You won't find it at AZ.

 

[anonymous]

Please, please apply again I’ll make sure you get an interview. Three softball questions, then ohh I see you are a previously unsuccessful applicant. Tell me about how you’ve turned around your performance since the last interview. When you look at recent performance I’m surprised you feel you are ready to chance. Have you talked with your current manager about how you can grow as a representative ? Okay please open a role play with Brilinta and then bridge to Lynparza, Hmm I can see why your manager gave you the feedback that you shared earlier. Maybe we can try this again, suppose you have a no-see physician who is new to our product line, tell me how you get to meet them and illustrate how your opening to the detail covers key brand and reimbursement messages. Ohh very good, how do you address their off label question about use ? Hmm have you developed at all since hiring ? Oh, what is your biggest weakness and how has it improved. Tell me about what your manager said when you told him about this weakness. Such fun pulling the wings off the buzzing flies.
Please please apply again.

 

[anonymous]

On Internal hiring practice politics: if no one whispered in your ear to apply for said job, you can expect not to get it. Frequently jobs are clearly earmarked for specific candidates based on the background politics between managers and others beyond any of our scopes of understanding. There are some “leaders” who think they have a percentage stake or valid opinion in all promotions that occur. Keep in mind moving from one selling team to another is billed as a promotion, although all you are doing is learning a new disease state, new customers and payer strategy. Such things used to be commonplace without all the politics and theatrics. It was merely a redeployment, not a promotion. Nothing changes in terms of your core skill set.

If you weren’t asked OR TOLD to apply, you can hang it up. If you didn’t get permission from your direct manager, or they didn’t bother to coach you, or advocate for you, you merely are a distraction to an otherwise PRE-determined promotion for someone else.

 

[anonymous]

On Internal hiring practice politics: if no one whispered in your ear to apply for said job, you can expect not to get it. Frequently jobs are clearly earmarked for specific candidates based on the background politics between managers and others beyond any of our scopes of understanding. There are some “leaders” who think they have a percentage stake or valid opinion in all promotions that occur. Keep in mind moving from one selling team to another is billed as a promotion, although all you are doing is learning a new disease state, new customers and payer strategy. Such things used to be commonplace without all the politics and theatrics. It was merely a redeployment, not a promotion. Nothing changes in terms of your core skill set.

If you weren’t asked OR TOLD to apply, you can hang it up. If you didn’t get permission from your direct manager, or they didn’t bother to coach you, or advocate for you, you merely are a distraction to an otherwise PRE-determined promotion for someone else.

This is absolutely 100% correct. The game is played between your manager and the hiring manager or your manager's manager and the hiring manager's manager. Either way, if you manager is not on board then you have zero chance.

 

[anonymous]

On Internal hiring practice politics: if no one whispered in your ear to apply for said job, you can expect not to get it. Frequently jobs are clearly earmarked for specific candidates based on the background politics between managers and others beyond any of our scopes of understanding. There are some “leaders” who think they have a percentage stake or valid opinion in all promotions that occur. Keep in mind moving from one selling team to another is billed as a promotion, although all you are doing is learning a new disease state, new customers and payer strategy. Such things used to be commonplace without all the politics and theatrics. It was merely a redeployment, not a promotion. Nothing changes in terms of your core skill set.

If you weren’t asked OR TOLD to apply, you can hang it up. If you didn’t get permission from your direct manager, or they didn’t bother to coach you, or advocate for you, you merely are a distraction to an otherwise PRE-determined promotion for someone else.

This is 110% accurate. I have yet to see one single position filled in this company in a fair manner. If the company earmarks someone for a job, it’s theirs regardless of who else applies. Just like when they decide they only want to hire external people for Onc. Guess what they don’t give a shit that you’ve been here for 18 years with 4 COE wins and want the job....they’re hiring from the outside. I’ve seen extremely qualified females be passed over for hiring or promotion simply because the male dsm said they’ll
Be out of the field too much with their kids and won’t be committed enough.. I’ve been passed over multiple times for jobs that my dsm said I was a shoe in for - — only to learn the cbd or ebd had their own Idea for who should be in the role. So In other words,, who was kissing their ass better!!. Hiring and promotions in AZ are a joke.

 

[anonymous]

On Internal hiring practice politics: if no one whispered in your ear to apply for said job, you can expect not to get it. Frequently jobs are clearly earmarked for specific candidates based on the background politics between managers and others beyond any of our scopes of understanding. There are some “leaders” who think they have a percentage stake or valid opinion in all promotions that occur. Keep in mind moving from one selling team to another is billed as a promotion, although all you are doing is learning a new disease state, new customers and payer strategy. Such things used to be commonplace without all the politics and theatrics. It was merely a redeployment, not a promotion. Nothing changes in terms of your core skill set.

If you weren’t asked OR TOLD to apply, you can hang it up. If you didn’t get permission from your direct manager, or they didn’t bother to coach you, or advocate for you, you merely are a distraction to an otherwise PRE-determined promotion for someone else.

This is spot on! Happened to me. My DM asked me if I wanted him to ask the hiring manager if I was wasting my time! No coaching or advocating whatsoever. What a loser! I had recently gone to COE and actually had called on many of the clinics a few years prior. DID NOT MATTER

 

[anonymous]

Scenario: if an AZ Respiratory Sales Specialist employee interviewed for a Respiratory (specialty) position, and they offered position to someone else, AND that person turned down the offer, and job was posted AGAIN .

Should that person with AZ that wasn't offered position
A) Apply again, or B) realize you were not hired for a reason and give up
Thoughts are that if you did perhaps get to interview again, and rejected for a second time, you would have basically ended your career with AZ...I.E. you'd be frowned upon at as a failure, and those would question your ability at current position.

All depends... I reps folks that didn’t get specialty jobs in Onc and Resp on several attempts. Kept at it and then landed the position. I also know reps that bomb interviews and wouldn’t have another chances. Solicit honest feedback from the hiring manager or one of the other managers that interviewed you and then make a decision. GL

 

[anonymous]

All depends... I reps folks that didn’t get specialty jobs in Onc and Resp on several attempts. Kept at it and then landed the position. I also know reps that bomb interviews and wouldn’t have another chances. Solicit honest feedback from the hiring manager or one of the other managers that interviewed you and then make a decision. GL

Honest feedback from the manager? Now that is truly funny.

 

[anonymous]

great advice throughout this topic, this is certainly the AZ I have witnessed for almost 15 years now...

 

[anonymous]

All depends... I reps folks that didn’t get specialty jobs in Onc and Resp on several attempts. Kept at it and then landed the position. I also know reps that bomb interviews and wouldn’t have another chances. Solicit honest feedback from the hiring manager or one of the other managers that interviewed you and then make a decision. GL

HA!! Honest feedback from a manager. That’s funny.

If you want insight into how little this company cares about its reps or their career development just look around. When they were hiring for resp bio positions I heard there was a
region where supposedly. the cbd lied and told the rst reps that they “weren’t elegible” to apply for the bio openings so they wouldn’t lose their top reps. There’s some manager honesty for You!!

I have seen people from AZ have to leave to other companies just so they could come back to AZ to work in Onc because they knew they’d never be considered as an internal candidate. How motivating!!

Sad thing is company couldn’t care less, reps are just a number to them.

 

[anonymous]

Honest feedback from the manager? Now that is truly funny.

So true and so funny. Take your current salary and do the mediocre work they require. Enjoy the time off and meetings.

 

[anonymous]

HA!! Honest feedback from a manager. That’s funny.

If you want insight into how little this company cares about its reps or their career development just look around. When they were hiring for resp bio positions I heard there was a
region where supposedly. the cbd lied and told the rst reps that they “weren’t elegible” to apply for the bio openings so they wouldn’t lose their top reps. There’s some manager honesty for You!!

I have seen people from AZ have to leave to other companies just so they could come back to AZ to work in Onc because they knew they’d never be considered as an internal candidate. How motivating!!

Sad thing is company couldn’t care less, reps are just a number to them.

Now i know you are fabricating stories. Who would be dumb enough to come BACK to AZ?!
This company culture sucks.

 

[anonymous]

Now i know you are fabricating stories. Who would be dumb enough to come BACK to AZ?!
This company culture sucks.

Absolutely a true story. The rep wanted to get into Onc but could NOT do it without leaving the company first to get the oh-so-revered “buy and bill/bio” experience elsewhere first since AZ apparently thinks it’s own talent is too stupid to learn it!

 

[anonymous]

Absolutely a true story. The rep wanted to get into Onc but could NOT do it without leaving the company first to get the oh-so-revered “buy and bill/bio” experience elsewhere first since AZ apparently thinks it’s own talent is too stupid to learn it!

..Or the training dept is incapable of teaching it ...

 

[anonymous]

OK. Your need to move on. No way you are now, or ever will be, "slotted" for a specialty role. Get out of your polyanna fantasy land Peter Pan.
Here's an idea: interview elsewhere and make more $, no micromanagement, and be happy!
There's nothing left here for you, sir or madam.