Let's keep count of the Oncology Reps that quit each week...

Discussion in 'Cephalon' started by Anonymous, Jun 9, 2011 at 7:12 PM.

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  1. Anonymous

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    Leadership promoted off label indirectly when they refused to pony up for safety data in combination therapy with rituxan to take to the FDA which therefor rendered 90 per cent of Treanda use off label. If I was fired from Ceph for off label promotion, I would sue that ass!
     

  2. Anonymous

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    Oncology is now a certified mess. Complete chaos is the norm. Teva wil inherit a nightmare of epic proportions.
     
  3. Anonymous

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    I just heard the Denver rep quit.
     
  4. Anonymous

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    Just the beginning...Treanda compliance recall survey, RepInc coaching opportunity, MS, Campbell, HR, compliance dept., I could go on and on. Sales personnel are sending out resumes as fast as they can e-mail them. Hopefully, Teva will come in and create a program to weed out the spine-less, completely inept senior management that is prevalent at today's Cephalon. By the way, even oncology management thought the Jolly Green Giant completely blew the question referencing disincentivizing the sales force to ever try to sell off label. Case in point...
     
  5. Anonymous

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    Liz and Craig are laughing long and loud now!
     
  6. Anonymous

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    Could it get any worse when teva takes over? Someone should notify the leaders of teva about the shit storm at cephalon. Anyone remember when training handed out the rummel poster and asked us to take notes on it? Remember when Craig wanted to bring rummel to the national meeting? Its so ridiculous!
     
  7. Anonymous

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    They used to make us listen to a debriefing from medical affairs or our MSLs after each ASH or ASCO Meeting on all of the pertinent data involving Treanda, on-label or off-label, as well as anything else coming along for CLL or NHL. That stopped only a year ago. This is so ridiculous!!! Teva management, help save us!
     
  8. Anonymous

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    ONLY YOU can save yourselves. Tell every dirty detail to anyone who will listen on what the company did to encourage you to promote off-label.
     
  9. Anonymous

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    Now there is some sound advice!
     
  10. Anonymous

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    That is actually bad advice. Unless you have solid documenation of the company leadership encouraging off-label promotion, it is a losing argument. Part of the logic to that argument was that you did promote off-label. Despite feeling encouraged to do so by management, you are saying you promoted off-label. That is a non-starter.
    They best tact is to go after the quality / legality of their survey methodology. If you are dismissed, that crappy survey will be the cause, not some distant past encouragement to promote off-label.
     
  11. Anonymous

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    The best advice is to get the fuck out of here. Teva can keep this ship of fools.
     
  12. Anonymous

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    The Cephalon thread in the "Teva Neuroscience board"..sums it up
     
  13. Anonymous

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    Good luck with that, since the government signed off on the use of the survey...
     
  14. Anonymous

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    Why did leadership refuse to provide the data for the combo therapy?
     
  15. Anonymous

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    Wrong! The Treanda monitoring program has nothing to do with the government survey. The survey is similar to our CIA survey, but was not approved by the government. It is the Treanda monitoring program that will cause terminations.
    Also, they CIA survey methodology was prepared by Cephalon and approved by the government. Our compliance department was extremely ignorant in not taking into consideration how / why oncology injectable drugs have different patterns of natural off-label use prior to designing that survey.
     
  16. Anonymous

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    Do you think psych drugs are not commonly used off-label? Psychiatrists try everything and anything to get patients to respond...just like Oncology. Doesn't mean you can promote off-label. Period.
     
  17. Anonymous

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    First of all, it is night and day. I sold in both markets. In oncology it is much more common and the level of education / communication in establishing a drug as a gold standard, when that standard is not part of the label, is much more extensive. Additionally, barriers to payment such as a formulary tier, simply do not exist with these oncology therapies once they are an official NCCN approved as an treatment standard.
    The other poster was not saying that these circumstances meant they could be promoted off-label. It was clear that they were referring to the level of noise for therapies like Treanda created by usage off-label as a gold standard meant these surveys would be meaningless.
     
  18. Anonymous

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    Another one dropped this morning
     
  19. Anonymous

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    I am shocked that reps want out of this shit hole that MS has created.
     
  20. Anonymous

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    what area?