5 ways we will be the next Enron.

Discussion in 'Valeant Pharmaceuticals' started by anonymous, Nov 22, 2015 at 5:22 PM.

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  1. anonymous

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    Identify yourself, now!
     

  2. anonymous

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    Hello ? Its June 2016
    Stock at $24
    Pershing Square still have a substantial holding.
    No bankruptcy filing.
    No immediate prospect of bankruptcy filing.
     
  3. anonymous

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    Doesn't mean it can't happen in the longer term. :p
     
  4. anonymous

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    dudes and dudettes. if you are still AT valeant, you are a bloody fool. If you are still an investor in Valeant, you deserve to lose every last center for being so damn stupid. this evil, greedy, nasty company has become the bain of American enterprise. Like Buffett says, a fucking sewer.
    End of story. Move along. Nothing left to see.
     
  5. anonymous

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    Dumbass junior above with the stupid 24 comment. They like you young, dumb and naive at that company. That way they can work you for nothing and have you aren't smart enough to see the knuckleheads at the top skimming all the money for themselves. Its June and tits 24. It will soon be September and $4. All those 500 debt holders have shit their pants staying up all night worrying about their 30 billion that Valaent probably can't pay for. Wait till those dirty diapers start to stink.
     
  6. anonymous

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    DOn't worry, bro! We got this, we gonna sell "non core" assets. lol
     
  7. anonymous

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    The whole company is a junkyard. All of it is non-core. I think BA is just trying to pump and dump once he can get enough idiots to buy the hype again and buy stock. This is fun to watch. Terrible leadership all around. First class losers.
     
  8. anonymous

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    Business press yesterday called it Dead Company Walking. No kidding. Now all you Valeant workers should get back to work. The company announced yesterday they had to pay $54 million to settle charges.The lawsuits have lined up. The debt is gigantic. Like Trump says, its really, really big. Trust me. Papa, Ari and others have big bonus payments coming to them for their brilliance and excellent leadership. They seem to take care off themselves through this disaster that they created. Start rowing dumb-dumb.
     
  9. anonymous

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    Valeant has harmed a lot of people. May you burn in hell. All of you.
     
  10. anonymous

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    I sense hostility and maybe bitterness ?

    May you kxss my axx. Both cheeks.
     
  11. anonymous

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    Heard Papa wants to replace one of the Corporate Jets with a new Model Dessault X7. Claims it is safer since it has three engines vs the present 4 jets that only have two engines.
    What is going on? What are our priorities?
     
  12. anonymous

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    Does it have an ejector seat with built in parachute ?
     
  13. anonymous

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    Suck the company dry before it goes chapter 11.
     
  14. anonymous

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    Papa sounded good in the beginning. He said that he doesn't need to sell anything. Then he changed to selling non core assets. Now he says he is open to selling core. So Joe, what is it?
     
  15. anonymous

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    Mah man's a puppet. He's a caretaker for Ackman.
     
  16. anonymous

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    Lawsuits and government constraints will come and go, since it's the nature of the pharma beast. Some of the most successful companies have been sued, all the car companies, banks, etc. The biggest concern is managing the debt load. Normally, large companies have backup lines of credit and vrx is no different. However, when the company is doing okay, then the line wouldn't be used, since the rate is based on current st libor + points, which makes it pretty expensive. However, if the line is almost maxed out like in the case with vrx, then there is also a cash crunch, basically cash collections not exceeding payments. So, if sales are faltering and margins are squeezed, then how do they service the debt? Even if they sell some of the assets to raise cash, how much goodwill can they bundle into the deal, since the assets probably didn't appreciate? So, if they sell some assets for $1b here and there, this cash will be used to pay off debt that is coming due soon, within the next few years. That still leaves a large chunk to be serviced. Unless they can sell more products, as in quantity, even at a lower margin, as indicated by papa, then it should handle the interest payments but not the principal, but with limited channels and a bad reputation, it just make it more challenging. Luckily, B&L didn't change the name on the products to Valeant. Maybe, they should change the Valeant name to B&L? :-( MP would've changed the company name to Allergan too, if the hostile takeover happened.
     
  17. anonymous

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    How many lawsuits can we handle? I just saw a 54 million dollar settlement for one of them.
     
  18. anonymous

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    Papa is doing the right things. He is reorganizing and getting us posed for substantial growth. Stock price should be trading at 25x earnings at some point.
     
  19. anonymous

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    How much earnings growth is needed to start paying those giant debt payments? Do the math. Or continue to be the dumbest person in your family.
     
  20. anonymous

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    No, actually pretty smart. I didn't say he was going to pay back all of the debt dumbass. Rather boost the stock price for everyone involved. Once it gets to a reasonable level for him and Ackman - everyone will bail and VRX may be done for.