RIP Exogen?

Discussion in 'Bioventus' started by anonymous, Mar 1, 2017 at 6:31 AM.

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  1. anonymous

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  2. anonymous

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    Unfortunately for you competitor no!! Such a ridiculous paper. Clinicians who saw it laughed
     
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  4. anonymous

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    Oh yeah, I forgot, it's clinicians that determine coverage.
     
  5. anonymous

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    BV failed to pay the study leaders. So, to recoup their time investment and to punish BV, they published the incomplete and poorly designed ( a BV trait) study. No meaningful data can be derived from the study, EXCEPT, BV is led by idiots who shoot themselves and the sales force in the foot at every turn.
    Just wait for the mistakes that will hamper success when Durolane finally becomes the 5th single injection to market.
     
  6. anonymous

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    Even if that is true, the newly published clinical guidelines now say to not use Exogen because there is no proof it works.

    I'm sure that it won't be long before payers use it as an excuse to remove coverage.
     
  7. anonymous

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    What guidelines? Competitor troll go away! My docs prescribe hundreds of these devices every year because it does not work??? Get real, docs see it works every day!
     
  8. anonymous

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    Here you go:

    http://www.bmj.com/content/356/bmj.j576

    Of course, these came out last month so I wouldn't expect someone like you to be current in your knowledge.
     
  9. anonymous

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    So you reference The British Medical Journal talking about guidelines for the U.S. What a joke! Go away! If you only knew the story about a former speaker for Bioventus just trying to get back at the company.
     
  10. anonymous

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    Who said anything about guidelines for the US? That's right, Bioventus only sells Exogen in the US.

    Oh, and I forgot that payers only look at publications in American medical journals.

    And, I am sure you are right that UHC, Anthem and Aetna will take into account the hurt feelings of a former Bioventus speaker before taking away fresh fracture coverage.

    Spit out the Kool-Aid and stop grasping at straws.
     
  11. anonymous

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    Contrary to this idiot who is unemployed..... exogen is going to have additional acute coverage sooner than later. Exciting new data on way!!! That's true so no need to try and diminish what I just said... troll be gone!!
     
  12. anonymous

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    "Unemployed" "idiot" "troll" with "no need to try and diminish what I just said" by posting links to publications in publicly-available, peer-reviewed, internationally-recognized, medical journals.

    Too funny!

    You be sure to post the link to that "Exciting new data" and the "additional acute coverage" as soon as it's published, OK Greg?
     
  13. anonymous

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    Doesn't surprise me. Exogen had been approved for use by the NHS (most likely based on US data) and it just took time for the British to conduct their own studies.
     
  14. anonymous

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    The BMJ/study authors may have been threatened with a lawsuit as the article has been removed from the website. However another recent article concluding that the devices have no effect on fresh fractures but that other uses are "open to debate" is still there at present.

    http://www.bmj.com/content/356/bmj.j656

    Given that most fractures heal magically by themselves and Exogen and similar devices are seen not to have effect, why would they work in non-unions? Non-unions are a bear, i.e. patients are desperate at this point. $4000 for an effect that BMJ says is "open to debate." Alrighty then.
    Is ultrasound being used in sport horse stress fractures by the way? I'm always interested in what the multi-million dollar equine athletes used (as well as footballers) as so many of our products are trickle down from veterinary use first anyway.
     
  15. anonymous

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    its incredible the useless/competitive trolls who have nothing better to do bc they clearly aren't busy getting business waste time trying unsuccessfully to bash a great product. We all hope you find a job where you can have the best in class product and not need to resort to this. There must have been a point in time when you felt good about yourself.... wouldnt be now.
     
  16. anonymous

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    Not trolling, just questioning. We all get, or know people who have, Jones fractures.

    Common sense: If ultrasound healed bones, horses wouldn't be euthanized for fetlock fractures now would they?
     
  17. anonymous

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    You're a mess and obviously know zero about horses.
     
  18. anonymous

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    LOL! Not taking that bait! Trying to fix bones with ultrasound has been going on since 1930s, you really think the thoroughbred and horse sport industries with their billions wouldn't have come up with something by now if it worked?
     
  19. anonymous

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    Good luck communicating with a horse and be sure to tell it to be non weight bearing for 6-8 weeks on that Jone's fracture. Yes, all 1000lbs. Let us know what they tell you back. Wow!
     
  20. anonymous

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    Yep. That's why horses etc were killed by their owners when they broke a leg.